Talk:Maemo Reconstructed - Revision history

imported_>sixwheeledbeast at 12:07, 10 September 2022

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	For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)		For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)

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imported_>sixwheeledbeast: Reverted edits by 185.88.100.68 (Talk) to last revision by 185.68.184.66

2022-09-10T12:06:20Z

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2022-09-09T22:32:47Z

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2022-09-09T22:13:23Z

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	For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)		For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)

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185.68.184.66: /* Surgeons discovered untrue flatten strict, views. */ new section

2022-09-09T22:12:59Z

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	For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)		For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)

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imported_>qgil: /* Busybox vs dash+coreutils and such */

2008-11-13T06:34:48Z

Busybox vs dash+coreutils and such

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	There is something more - even as ordinary users or script writers, the busybox tools often miss something important. GnuTar and the other compression tools often have to be there along side. Loop device support is NOT in busybox so to use it you must get a special mount command. There is a lot of functionality which often needs to be added even in non developer situations. Busybox should be stretched to add some of the missing things available as options but simply using the full standard set of tools fixes these problems as well.		There is something more - even as ordinary users or script writers, the busybox tools often miss something important. GnuTar and the other compression tools often have to be there along side. Loop device support is NOT in busybox so to use it you must get a special mount command. There is a lot of functionality which often needs to be added even in non developer situations. Busybox should be stretched to add some of the missing things available as options but simply using the full standard set of tools fixes these problems as well.
			:We are open to consider the inclusion of specific tools in Busybox. Please open an enhancement request in bugs.maemo.org for each tool including the reasoning why. -- Quim Gil


	There are many docs, themes, icons, pictures, fonts, and other things which may not be used, so is the footprint really a problem? How large would it really be? If space is that tight could the internal flash be set to have a second partition with support for unix like things such as symlinks and not appear as a USB device to when attached to a PC? Or have some way to create this in a system such that it would override busybox (maybe modify busybox such that if X exists, busybox execs X instead of its internal applet code such that it would never conflict with installing the real application, or maybe just let the symlink be removed and have busybox during init or signal recreate any links for applications which go missing). Turn either-or into both-and.		There are many docs, themes, icons, pictures, fonts, and other things which may not be used, so is the footprint really a problem? How large would it really be? If space is that tight could the internal flash be set to have a second partition with support for unix like things such as symlinks and not appear as a USB device to when attached to a PC? Or have some way to create this in a system such that it would override busybox (maybe modify busybox such that if X exists, busybox execs X instead of its internal applet code such that it would never conflict with installing the real application, or maybe just let the symlink be removed and have busybox during init or signal recreate any links for applications which go missing). Turn either-or into both-and.

imported_>tz1 at 15:43, 12 November 2008

2008-11-12T15:43:21Z

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	* I've added the following change to the proposal, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Reconstructed&diff=8546&oldid=8540 , but even if it does raise the numbers a bit, the footprint is not -huge-, compared to let's say, an mp3 in the jffs2 fs. My argument still stands I'd say - is 3.5m so important to spare that it justifies the problems that arise from the choice of busybox? Next step is performance and memory usage I guess.. ---[[User:stskeeps\|stskeeps]] 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)		* I've added the following change to the proposal, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Reconstructed&diff=8546&oldid=8540 , but even if it does raise the numbers a bit, the footprint is not -huge-, compared to let's say, an mp3 in the jffs2 fs. My argument still stands I'd say - is 3.5m so important to spare that it justifies the problems that arise from the choice of busybox? Next step is performance and memory usage I guess.. ---[[User:stskeeps\|stskeeps]] 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

			There is something more - even as ordinary users or script writers, the busybox tools often miss something important. GnuTar and the other compression tools often have to be there along side. Loop device support is NOT in busybox so to use it you must get a special mount command. There is a lot of functionality which often needs to be added even in non developer situations. Busybox should be stretched to add some of the missing things available as options but simply using the full standard set of tools fixes these problems as well.

			There are many docs, themes, icons, pictures, fonts, and other things which may not be used, so is the footprint really a problem? How large would it really be? If space is that tight could the internal flash be set to have a second partition with support for unix like things such as symlinks and not appear as a USB device to when attached to a PC? Or have some way to create this in a system such that it would override busybox (maybe modify busybox such that if X exists, busybox execs X instead of its internal applet code such that it would never conflict with installing the real application, or maybe just let the symlink be removed and have busybox during init or signal recreate any links for applications which go missing). Turn either-or into both-and.

	=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===		=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===
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	---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200		---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200

			=== Kernels should be a bit richer and modules should be available ===

			For example, Mac partition support cannot be added as a module. Same with core dumps, but I think that is on by default. For boot speed the default kernel should have things built in instead of modules, but there should be a full /lib/modules with modprobe and depmod which can be populated with modules as needed but have the module load support transparent (e.g. USB host, attaching a CD player, or HFS+ mac formatted iPod, coda or fuse for webdav, usbserial, other usb gadgets...)

imported_>stskeeps at 10:43, 5 November 2008

2008-11-05T10:43:44Z

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	---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200		---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200

	* I've added the following change to the proposal, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Reconstructed&diff=~~8544~~&oldid=8540 , but even if it does raise the numbers a bit, the footprint is not -huge-, compared to let's say, an mp3 in the jffs2 fs. My argument still stands I'd say - is 3.5m so important to spare that it justifies the problems that arise from the choice of busybox? Next step is performance and memory usage I guess.. ---[[User:stskeeps\|stskeeps]] 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)		* I've added the following change to the proposal, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Reconstructed&diff=8546&oldid=8540 , but even if it does raise the numbers a bit, the footprint is not -huge-, compared to let's say, an mp3 in the jffs2 fs. My argument still stands I'd say - is 3.5m so important to spare that it justifies the problems that arise from the choice of busybox? Next step is performance and memory usage I guess.. ---[[User:stskeeps\|stskeeps]] 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

	=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===		=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===

imported_>stskeeps: /* Busybox vs dash+coreutils and such */

2008-11-05T10:41:37Z

Busybox vs dash+coreutils and such

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	---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200		---Eero Tamminen in an e-mail to maemo-developers, Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:23:01 +0200

			* I've added the following change to the proposal, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Reconstructed&diff=8544&oldid=8540 , but even if it does raise the numbers a bit, the footprint is not -huge-, compared to let's say, an mp3 in the jffs2 fs. My argument still stands I'd say - is 3.5m so important to spare that it justifies the problems that arise from the choice of busybox? Next step is performance and memory usage I guess.. ---[[User:stskeeps\|stskeeps]] 10:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

	=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===		=== A package that builds in Scratchbox should also build on a tablet ===