Talk:Drivers justification - Revision history

imported_>qole: updated with qgil's comments in ITt

2008-11-03T23:06:32Z

updated with qgil's comments in ITt

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	*bump: for anyone monitoring this page, can we have a written update please? --[[User:lcuk\|lcuk]] 16:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)		*bump: for anyone monitoring this page, can we have a written update please? --[[User:lcuk\|lcuk]] 16:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

			qgil stated, [http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=237998#post237998 on 30-Oct-2008]: "For what I know, the situation is still [unchanged] ... [T]he ball is currently not in Nokia's terrain and the Fremantle release has little to do with all this topic. :/" --[[User:qole\|qole]] 23:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

imported_>lcuk at 16:58, 30 October 2008

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	# If there is some volunteer from community that is willing to fix the driver, I can try to help get NDA or other reasonable terms for it.		# If there is some volunteer from community that is willing to fix the driver, I can try to help get NDA or other reasonable terms for it.
	[[User:kate\|kate]] 10:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		[[User:kate\|kate]] 10:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


			*bump: for anyone monitoring this page, can we have a written update please? --[[User:lcuk\|lcuk]] 16:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

imported_>kate at 10:24, 21 July 2008

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	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	:Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		:Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


			We are having discussions with TI if we could find reasonable terms to get driver released to developers. At the moment i see two options:
			# We get from TI version that fills our requirement about being GPL compliant
			# TI/Imagination technologies will directly distribute version in their download page [http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp#GLES1b]
			# If there is some volunteer from community that is willing to fix the driver, I can try to help get NDA or other reasonable terms for it.
			[[User:kate\|kate]] 10:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

24.164.22.34: /* The GPL violation issue */

2008-07-21T09:04:37Z

The GPL violation issue

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	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		:Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

24.164.22.34: /* The GPL violation issue */ Reformatting for proper threading

2008-07-21T09:04:09Z

The GPL violation issue: Reformatting for proper threading

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	Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.		Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.

	Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver.[[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


	This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
			Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

imported_>qgil: /* The GPL violation issue */

2008-07-21T08:58:50Z

The GPL violation issue

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	So we have a driver used strictly internally and strictly for R&D purposes. This driver was done for the 2.4 kernel. When moved to 2.6 we have problems with GPL license violations, which we could ''solve'' in three ways:		So we have a driver used strictly internally and strictly for R&D purposes. This driver was done for the 2.4 kernel. When moved to 2.6 we have problems with GPL license violations, which we could ''solve'' in three ways:

	# Keep the driver as it is and leave the driver installation to you. This way we do not distribute GPL violating drivers, but this way you are using GPL violating drivers.		# <irony>Keep the driver as it is and leave the driver installation to you. This way we do not distribute GPL violating drivers, but this way you are using GPL violating drivers.</irony>
	# We hack the GPL checking from the kernel we will ship, so no GPL violation (but loads of upset kernel developers?)		# <irony>We hack the GPL checking from the kernel we will ship, so no GPL violation (but loads of upset kernel developers?)</irony>
	# We spend a lot of time and money rewriting the driver to be shippable without any kernel changes or violations (not very feasible on our side, I tell you)		# We spend a lot of time and money rewriting the driver to be shippable without any kernel changes or violations (not very feasible on our side, I tell you)

imported_>kate at 08:56, 21 July 2008

2008-07-21T08:56:57Z

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	Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.		Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.

			Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver.[[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


	This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

81.208.74.179: /* SRAM notes/discussion */

2008-07-20T07:09:09Z

SRAM notes/discussion

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	::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"		::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"
	::<overflo>		::<overflo>
			144 #define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000
	145 /* Maximum size, in reality this is smaller if SRAM is partially locked. */		145 /* Maximum size, in reality this is smaller if SRAM is partially locked. */
	146 #define OMAP2_SRAM_SIZE 0xa0000 /* 640k */		146 #define OMAP2_SRAM_SIZE 0xa0000 /* 640k */
	~~this location is user~~ as ram by ARM7 (IVA Processor)		:: these locations are used as ram by ARM7 (IVA Processor)

	::http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/video/omap/dispc.c		::http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/video/omap/dispc.c

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SRAM notes/discussion

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	::<lcuk> this is what documentation is all about		::<lcuk> this is what documentation is all about
	::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"		::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"
	::<overflo> 145 /* Maximum size, in reality this is smaller if SRAM is partially locked. */		::<overflo>
			145 /* Maximum size, in reality this is smaller if SRAM is partially locked. */
	146 #define OMAP2_SRAM_SIZE 0xa0000 /* 640k */		146 #define OMAP2_SRAM_SIZE 0xa0000 /* 640k */
	this location is user as ram by ARM7 (IVA Processor)		this location is user as ram by ARM7 (IVA Processor)

81.208.74.179: /* SRAM notes/discussion */

2008-07-20T07:04:27Z

SRAM notes/discussion

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	::<lcuk> this is what documentation is all about		::<lcuk> this is what documentation is all about
	::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"		::<jott> lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000"
			::<overflo> 145 /* Maximum size, in reality this is smaller if SRAM is partially locked. */
			146 #define OMAP2_SRAM_SIZE 0xa0000 /* 640k */
			this location is user as ram by ARM7 (IVA Processor)

	::http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/video/omap/dispc.c		::http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/video/omap/dispc.c

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	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		:Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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	Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.		Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.

	Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver.[[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


	This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
			Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver. [[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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	Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.		Note that in the points above we are not even mentioning TI, who needs to agree in the game since at the end they are the ones licensing the driver.

			Note: The 2. alternative, just disabling the GPL check is really not on option that Nokia can do at all, it was just mentioned indicating there is no good and acceptable way that Nokia can do for shipping the driver.[[User:kate\|kate]] 08:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


	This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		This is not last word. I will be posting here feedback as I get it.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		:IANAL, but I don't think (1) is viable: the driver is still a derived work, even if you don't bundle it yourself. (2) would cause so much negative press as to be unbelievable and would cause serious harm to the platform (and so the community). One possible option would be to contract an external community member (or members) under NDA to receive the driver and its source with the understanding that it is not for distribution. For all intents and purposes this is therefore still Nokia internal use. That developer can then do option (3). --[[User:jaffa\|Jaffa]] 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
	::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		::Good to see that we are in the same page. The first two options are listed as mathematical possibilities but in real terms are No-Go. About the third option, in principle I see a problem combining "community member" and "NDA" since normally NDAs are signed with individuals in companies or other types or organizations (e.g. universities, research centers...). In any case the organization that helps external developers getting contracts signed is Forum Nokia. Kate Alhola is the Maemo contact there and in fact she is interested and working in finding a way to get this puzzle sorted out in some way. I have sent her a link to this page. You know her as well. looks like a way to see if it's possible to move forward. In any case I keep the feedback channel open in my side and I will report here anything new.--[[User:qgil\|qgil]] 18:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)