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imported_>farmatito: /* Integrate minimal nokia system with Debian infrastructure */

2011-09-05T19:35:24Z

Integrate minimal nokia system with Debian infrastructure

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	=== Integrate minimal nokia system with Debian infrastructure ===		=== Integrate minimal nokia system with Debian infrastructure ===

	Next step is to understand the relation between ~~out~~ minimal system and the rest of the debian. There will likely be different sort of incompatibilities between minimal Nokia system and normal Debian: files provided by both Nokia and Debian packages, namespace collisions, incompatible packaging practices, and all other sort of problems. These should be determined and faced somehow, step-by-step.		Next step is to understand the relation between our minimal system and the rest of the debian. There will likely be different sort of incompatibilities between minimal Nokia system and normal Debian: files provided by both Nokia and Debian packages, namespace collisions, incompatible packaging practices, and all other sort of problems. These should be determined and faced somehow, step-by-step.

	At some point we should get system that is still functional as a phone, and that can install packages from Debian repositories.		At some point we should get system that is still functional as a phone, and that can install packages from Debian repositories.

imported_>cyteen: /* Motivation */

2011-09-05T18:08:59Z

Motivation

79.234.85.101: /* The .deb vs. .rpm debate */

2011-06-30T10:38:10Z

The .deb vs. .rpm debate

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	There are only subtle differences between the two package formats .deb and .rpm and their respective package managers.		There are only subtle differences between the two package formats .deb and .rpm and their respective package managers.
	Many MeeGo supporters make a category error by confusing the underlying package format with the higher goal.		Many MeeGo supporters make a category error by confusing the underlying package format with the higher goal.
	The purpose of this project is not necessarily to have .deb packages and dpkg as a front end, but to able to integrate existing Debian and Maemo work and know-how.		The purpose of this project is not necessarily to have .deb packages and dpkg as a front end, but to be able to integrate existing Debian and Maemo work and know-how.
	Since both of them are based on dpkg, choosing the same format is required for retaining compatibility.		Since both of them are based on dpkg, choosing the same format is required for retaining compatibility.
	To emphasize this point: if Maemo and Debian were using .rpm, this project would use it, too.		To emphasize this point: if Maemo and Debian were using .rpm, this project would use it, too.

imported_>int_ua: /* Repartitiong the flash */

2010-10-19T09:59:00Z

Repartitiong the flash

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	#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=462139 thread about building a chroot for installing the SDK]		#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=462139 thread about building a chroot for installing the SDK]

	=== ~~Repartitiong~~ the flash ===		=== Repartitioning the flash ===

	see [[Repartitioning_the_flash]]		see [[Repartitioning_the_flash]]

imported_>amigadave: categorize

2010-06-22T08:54:36Z

categorize

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	=== Packaging, tools ===		=== Packaging, tools ===
	#[[Packaging\|Packaging for Maemo5]]		#[[Packaging\|Packaging for Maemo5]]

			[[Category:Software]]
			[[Category:Development]]
			[[Category:N900]]

imported_>dneary: /* The .deb vs. .rpm debate */

2010-04-28T10:57:24Z

The .deb vs. .rpm debate

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	=== The .deb vs. .rpm debate ===		=== The .deb vs. .rpm debate ===

			{{main\|DebForMeeGo}}

	There are only subtle differences between the two package formats .deb and .rpm and their respective package managers.		There are only subtle differences between the two package formats .deb and .rpm and their respective package managers.

imported_>amigadave: wikify

2010-03-12T12:09:32Z

wikify

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	== Motivation ==		== Motivation ==

	The purpose of this project is to port the proprietary Nokia components of Maemo 5 to a Debian base system running on the Nokia N900 and future devices.		The purpose of this project is to port the proprietary Nokia components of Maemo 5 to a Debian base system running on the [[Nokia N900]] and future devices.
	It should be possible run both Maemo5 and standard Debian software on this platform natively and in the same environment.		It should be possible run both Maemo5 and standard Debian software on this platform natively and in the same environment.
	In the future, the project will package and integrate the MeeGo components and know-how to enable installation of MeeGo applications.		In the future, the project will package and integrate the MeeGo components and know-how to enable installation of MeeGo applications.
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	#[http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile Debian Wiki]		#[http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile Debian Wiki]
	#[http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group MeeGo: Debian Packaging]		#[http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group MeeGo: Debian Packaging]
	#[~~http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer~~ Mer] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]		#[[Mer]] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]
	#[http://meego.com MeeGo]		#[http://meego.com MeeGo]
	#[~~http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian~~ Easy ~~debian~~] [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550 thread]		#[[Easy Debian]] [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34550 thread]
	#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 Debian rebuild for Maemo5]		#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188 Debian rebuild for Maemo5]
	#[http://moblin.org/ Moblin]		#[http://moblin.org/ Moblin]
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	=== Proprietary Maemo components ===		=== Proprietary Maemo components ===

	#[~~http:~~/~~/wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages~~ Why close packages?]		#[[Open development/Why the closed packages\|Why close packages?]]
	#[http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Openness report]		#[http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ Openness report]
	#[~~http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo~~ Free Maemo]		#[[Free Maemo]]
	#[~~http:~~/~~/wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Licensing_change_requests~~ Licensing change requests] and [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44991 thread for license change requests]		#[[Open development/Licensing change requests\|Licensing change requests]] and [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44991 thread for license change requests]

	=== Build systems and toolchains ===		=== Build systems and toolchains ===
	#[http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ Maemo SDK]		#[http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ Maemo SDK]
	#[http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ Maemo SDK+ based on scratchbox2 and lenny tools]		#[http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ Maemo SDK+ based on scratchbox2 and lenny tools]
	#[~~http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_packages_with_sbdmock~~ sbdmock for Maemo]		#[[Building packages with sbdmock\|sbdmock for Maemo]]
	#[https://build.opensuse.org/ OBS]		#[https://build.opensuse.org/ OBS]
	=== Packaging, tools ===		=== Packaging, tools ===
	#[~~http://wiki.maemo.org/~~Packaging Packaging for Maemo5]		#[[Packaging\|Packaging for Maemo5]]

imported_>tanner: updated roadmap

2010-03-08T07:09:48Z

updated roadmap

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	# DONE: set up bug/issue/task tracker and wiki, VCS, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/moebian/		# DONE: set up bug/issue/task tracker and wiki, VCS, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/moebian/
	# DONE: set up a repository for updated, but N900 specific free packages or rebuild Debian, Maemo and MeeGo packages, temporary location: http://maemory.com/moebian/		# DONE: set up a repository for updated, but N900 specific free packages or rebuild Debian, Maemo and MeeGo packages, temporary location: http://maemory.com/moebian/
	# DONE: write scripts to setup Maemo5 chroots or partitions which can be booted (bootmenu) or chrooted to. titan has written a script to symlink all necessary system in the rootfs from a chroot. The advantage over copying the rootfs		# DONE: write scripts to setup Maemo5 chroots or partitions which can be booted (bootmenu) or chrooted to. titan has written a script to symlink all necessary system in the rootfs from a chroot. The advantage over copying the rootfs are the higher speed of NAND,the automatic update by firmware upgrades and less disc usage.
	are the higher speed of NAND,the automatic update by firmware upgrades and less disc usage.
	# fix hanging startup-pin-query when booting from flash		# fix hanging startup-pin-query when booting from flash
	# identify more shared directories in /usr where packages install their files. create them before symlinking		# identify more shared directories in /usr where packages install their files. create them before symlinking
	~~# identify non-free packages names in the firmware and repack the binaries with [http://maemo.org/packages/view/dpkg-repack/ dpkg-repack]~~
	~~# set up or get access to a build system (OBS?)~~

	=== Milestone 1 ===		=== Milestone 1 ===
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	=== Phase 2 ===		=== Phase 2 ===
			# identify non-free packages names in the firmware and repack the binaries with [http://maemo.org/packages/view/dpkg-repack/ dpkg-repack]
			# set up or get access to a build system (OBS?)
	# create a Maemo package in extras-devel which automatically setups a chroot or partition (incl. repartitioning)		# create a Maemo package in extras-devel which automatically setups a chroot or partition (incl. repartitioning)
	# build a dependency graph for the non-free packages so that we know which packages could be broken by what library upgrade. Use [http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ debtree]?		# build a dependency graph for the non-free packages so that we know which packages could be broken by what library upgrade. Use [http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ debtree]?

imported_>tanner: updates status, /home installation, MeeGo working group

2010-03-08T07:07:51Z

updates status, /home installation, MeeGo working group

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	However, the Debian applications run rather independently from Maemo5 and there are problems with hardware access (keyboard, sound etc.).		However, the Debian applications run rather independently from Maemo5 and there are problems with hardware access (keyboard, sound etc.).
	This project tries to integrate Debian packages directly with Maemo5 so that both can access the hardware natively and share the same up to date libraries.		This project tries to integrate Debian packages directly with Maemo5 so that both can access the hardware natively and share the same up to date libraries.
	Disc access would also be much faster than through ~~the~~ disc image.		Disc access would also be much faster than through a disc image.

	== Implementation plan ==		== Implementation plan ==

	Currently, project is in it's very early stage~~. Nothing is available to install and try yet~~.		Currently, project is in it's very early stage.

	Here are several steps that we are going to do:		Here are several steps that we are going to do:
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	There are several possible solutions where to store the Debian base system and its rootfs:		There are several possible solutions where to store the Debian base system and its rootfs:
			# installation in a /home. pros: simple installation, no need for partitioning (unless repartitioned for larger /home), fast, cons: only one installation possible, limited to 2GB (unless repartitioned)
	# installation in a chroot on /home. pros: simple installation, no need for partitioning (unless repartitioned for larger /home), fast, multiple chroots. cons: not useable as independent boot device? limited to 2GB (unless repartitioned)		# installation in a chroot on /home. pros: simple installation, no need for partitioning (unless repartitioned for larger /home), fast, multiple chroots. cons: not useable as independent boot device? limited to 2GB (unless repartitioned)
	# installation in a new partition or on SD card: pros: independent and isolated, could be USB exported, fast, less space constraints. cons: requires partitioning and setting up a file system, fixed size, only one simultaneous installation possible		# installation in a new partition or on SD card: pros: independent and isolated, could be USB exported, fast, less space constraints. cons: requires partitioning and setting up a file system, fixed size, only one simultaneous installation possible
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	see		see
			#[https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/moebian-devel/2010-March/000012.html Moebian installation]
	#[http://maemo.org/packages/view/easy-chroot/ easy-chroot]		#[http://maemo.org/packages/view/easy-chroot/ easy-chroot]
	#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=462139 thread about building a chroot for installing the SDK]		#[http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=462139 thread about building a chroot for installing the SDK]
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	=== Phase 0 ===		=== Phase 0 ===
	decide on the name for the project, register a domain, setup a homepage, and make it public.		# DONE: decide on the name for the project, register a domain, setup a homepage, and make it public. Some ideas for the name: Moebian, Debian Mobile, Debian/MeeGo, Maebian
	Some ideas for the name: Moebian, Debian Mobile, Debian/MeeGo, Maebian

	=== Phase 1 ===		=== Phase 1 ===
	# DONE: set up mailing lists with public archive		# DONE: set up mailing lists with public archive, http://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/moebian-devel
	# DONE: set up bug/issue/task tracker and wiki, VCS		# DONE: set up bug/issue/task tracker and wiki, VCS, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/moebian/
			# DONE: set up a repository for updated, but N900 specific free packages or rebuild Debian, Maemo and MeeGo packages, temporary location: http://maemory.com/moebian/
			# DONE: write scripts to setup Maemo5 chroots or partitions which can be booted (bootmenu) or chrooted to. titan has written a script to symlink all necessary system in the rootfs from a chroot. The advantage over copying the rootfs
			are the higher speed of NAND,the automatic update by firmware upgrades and less disc usage.
			# fix hanging startup-pin-query when booting from flash
			# identify more shared directories in /usr where packages install their files. create them before symlinking
			# identify non-free packages names in the firmware and repack the binaries with [http://maemo.org/packages/view/dpkg-repack/ dpkg-repack]
	# set up or get access to a build system (OBS?)		# set up or get access to a build system (OBS?)
	~~# set up a repository for updated, but N900 specific free packages or rebuild Debian, Maemo and MeeGo packages~~
	~~# identify non-free packages names in the firmware and repack the binaries with [http://maemo.org/packages/view/dpkg-repack/ dpkg-repack]~~
	# write scripts to setup Maemo5 chroots or partitions which can be booted (bootmenu) or chrooted to. titan has written a script to symlink all necessary system in the rootfs from a chroot. The advantage over copying the rootfs are the higher speed of NAND,the automatic update by firmware upgrades and less disc usage.

	=== Milestone 1 ===		=== Milestone 1 ===
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	=== Related projects ===		=== Related projects ===
	#[http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile Debian Wiki]		#[http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile Debian Wiki]
			#[http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group MeeGo: Debian Packaging]
	#[http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mer] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]		#[http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mer] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]
	#[http://meego.com MeeGo]		#[http://meego.com MeeGo]

imported_>rzr: /* Related projects */

2010-03-07T12:14:52Z

Related projects

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	=== Related projects ===		=== Related projects ===
			#[http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile Debian Wiki]
	#[http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mer] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]		#[http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mer] [http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/ dual-booting Mer]
	#[http://meego.com MeeGo]		#[http://meego.com MeeGo]

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	The purpose of this project is to port the proprietary Nokia components of Maemo 5 to a Debian base system running on the [[Nokia N900]] and future devices.		The purpose of this project is to port the proprietary Nokia components of Maemo 5 to a Debian base system running on the [[Nokia N900]] and future devices.
	It should be possible run both Maemo5 and standard Debian software on this platform natively and in the same environment.		It should be possible run both Maemo5 and standard Debian software on this platform natively and in the same environment.
	In the future, the project will package and integrate the MeeGo components and know-how to enable installation of MeeGo applications.		In the future, the project will package and integrate the MeeGo components and know-how to enable the installation of MeeGo applications.

	=== Why not MeeGo? ===		=== Why not MeeGo? ===

	MeeGo is supposed to be a merger of Maemo 5 and Moblin and therefore the future of Maemo.		MeeGo is supposed to be a merger of Maemo 5 and Moblin and therefore the future of Maemo.
	While Maemo 5 is similar to Debian and reuses most of its tools and policies, it still significantly different from Debian so that porting Debian packages is not always trivial.		While Maemo 5 is similar to Debian and reuses most of its tools and policies, it is still significantly different from Debian so that porting Debian packages is not always trivial.
	Installation of native Debian packages is in most cases impossible.		Installation of native Debian packages is in most cases impossible.

	For many users, the similarity to Debian and the relative openness of Maemo 5 has been precisely the reason ~~why~~ they have bought the Nokia N900.		For many users, the similarity to Debian and the relative openness of Maemo 5 has been precisely the reason they have bought the Nokia N900.
	So far Nokia has not committed to porting Harmattan, the successor of Maemo 5, which is supposed to be MeeGo compatible, or the official MeeGo to the N900.		So far Nokia has not committed to porting Harmattan, the successor of Maemo 5, which is supposed to be MeeGo compatible, or the official MeeGo to the N900.
	Now, a few months after its public release, owners of the sophisticated, but expensive N900 have the impression that they are left with an abandoned OS and have little hope to be able to upgrade to its successors.		Now, a few months after its public release, owners of the sophisticated, but expensive N900 have the impression that they are left with an abandoned OS and have little hope to be able to upgrade to its successors.

	This projects aims to give N900 users immediate access to the Debian software pool and the prospect to be able to install MeeGo applications in the future.		This projects aims to give N900 users immediate access to the Debian software pool and the prospect to be able to install MeeGo applications in the future.
	It also ~~tries~~ to convince Nokia to open-source as many applications and drivers for the N900 as possible in order to integrate them better into this project.		It also intends to try and convince Nokia to open-source as many applications and drivers for the N900 as possible in order to integrate them better into this project.

	The commercial initiative of Intel and Nokia, called MeeGo, is supposed to be open-source and open for the community.		The commercial initiative of Intel and Nokia, called MeeGo, is supposed to be open-source and open for the community.
	However, important decisions have been made behind closed doors and are unlikely to change.		However, important decisions have been made behind closed doors and are unlikely to change.
	One of those decisions is to switch from base system that is similar to Debian, to an independent base that uses the RPM package manager and that is not required to be compatible with any of the major Linux distributions.		One of those decisions is to switch from a base system that is similar to Debian, to an independent base that uses the RPM package manager and that is not required to be compatible with any of the major Linux distributions.
	MeeGo users and developers could therefore only use and rely on designated MeeGo applications and libraries, if they do not port third-party software to it themselves.		MeeGo users and developers could therefore only use and rely on designated MeeGo applications and libraries, if they do not port third-party software to it themselves.
	MeeGo apparently only targets mainstream mobile applications, while this project aims to satisfy the needs of both mainstream and experts.		MeeGo apparently only targets mainstream mobile applications, while this project aims to satisfy the needs of both mainstream and experts.