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imported_>amigadave: wikify slightly, categorize

2010-05-06T13:39:34Z

wikify slightly, categorize

← Older revision		Revision as of 13:39, 6 May 2010
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	== Scope ==		== Scope ==
	The aim is at least to keep the *.deb package format in the MeeGo distributions aiming at Nokia Phones/ Handhelds.		The aim is at least to keep the *.deb package format in the MeeGo distributions aiming at Nokia Phones/ Handhelds.
	Although using the .deb format throughout the MeeGo project is ~~desireable~~, not all arguments here apply to the same extent looking at the whole project.		Although using the .deb format throughout the MeeGo project is desirable, not all arguments here apply to the same extent looking at the whole project.

	== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==		== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==
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	== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==		== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==
	* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.		* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.
	* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [~~http~~:~~//en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/~~Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''		* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [[:wikipedia:Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format\|RPM must be supported when installing]]''

	== Alternative Solution ==		== Alternative Solution ==
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	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
	* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.		* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.

			[[Category:Packaging]]

71.46.49.251: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

2010-04-06T18:24:30Z

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]		* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging
			* better package management and error correction with DEB tools. (dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, deborphan, debsums, the base DEB framework including pre/post scripts, conflict resolution, dependency management and such)

	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.

imported_>tanner: update link

2010-02-22T18:41:12Z

update link

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:41, 22 February 2010
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	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
	* The [~~http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536760~~ Debian~~/MeeGo~~ project] does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.		* The [[Maemo on Debian]] project does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.

imported_>tanner: Debian/MeeGo

2010-02-19T16:11:02Z

Debian/MeeGo

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	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.
			* The [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536760 Debian/MeeGo project] does not try to convince the official MeeGo to use some upstream but instead works on a distribution which integrates existing Maemo5 and future MeeGo components into a standard Debian distribution.

78.70.20.188: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

2010-02-19T15:43:11Z

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.

	[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)		[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)

78.70.20.188: /* Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) */

2010-02-19T15:42:59Z

Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB)

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	* Maemo has the bigger community [1]		* Maemo has the bigger community [1]
	* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu		* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu
			* DEB has wider adoptation than RPM [2]
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging

	[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.		[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.
			[2] comparing numbers from [http://distrowatch.com/ distrowatch] (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc + Debian against OpenSUSE + Fedora + RedHat + Mandriva)

	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==

78.70.20.188: /* Common Advantages of DEB and RPM */

2010-02-19T15:36:31Z

Common Advantages of DEB and RPM

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	== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==		== Common Advantages of DEB and RPM ==
	* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.		* Tools for verifying (e.g. lintian and rpmlink) are available and can be used to check for a package quality.
			* both RPM and DEB are LSB compilant as ''technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''

	== Alternative Solution ==		== Alternative Solution ==
	* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.		* Keep a Debian base system, and provide third-party applications in an LSB package formet (which is RPM inside). LSB-compliant RPM should install flawlessly, and that way the frontier between system packages (DEB) and third-party applications (RPM) is well defined.
	* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.		* Add the imaging feature to the Deb package.

78.70.20.188: /* Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) */

2010-02-19T15:35:35Z

Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM)

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	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==
	* No porting for Moblin packages needed		* No porting for Moblin packages needed
	* RPM is LSB-compilant.
	** So is deb.
	** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''
	* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.		* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.

78.70.20.188: remove discussion, do it on the discussion page. reference added

2010-02-19T15:23:05Z

remove discussion, do it on the discussion page. reference added

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	== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==		== Why Switch MeeGo To DEB (switching Moblin to DEB) ==
	* No porting for Maemo packages needed		* No porting for Maemo packages needed
	* Maemo has the bigger community [~~CITATION NEEDED~~]		* Maemo has the bigger community [1]
	* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu		* allows syncing from Debian/ Ubuntu
	** Moblin promotes pushing back to upstream - Debian/Ubuntu rarely do! There is no need to be "synced" when you work with upstream. This "pro" deb point is actually a minus!
	* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging		* not to throw away experience gained with maemo which is reflected in the packaging
	** These changes should have been pushed back upstream. ~~Why is Maemo the only benefactor? The larger community should benefit from Maemo experience~~ and ~~then the package format wouldn't matter~~.
			[1] amount of third party applications [http://garage.moblin.org/ here] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ here]. Also note that a Maemo5 port often involves UI changes, which make it more work.

	== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==		== Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) ==

imported_>nickread: /* Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM) */

2010-02-19T04:18:25Z

Why Keep MeeGo As RPM (switching Maemo to RPM)

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	* RPM is LSB-compilant.		* RPM is LSB-compilant.
	** So is deb.		** So is deb.
	** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported]''		** ''Technically there is no dictated package format, only that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base#Choice_of_RPM_package_format RPM must be supported when installing]''
	* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.		* Moblin build infrastructure has more capabilities already in place, such as imaging.