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MADDE/QtCreator integration for Mac

2010-03-05T13:36:50Z

127.0.0.1: /* Mac configuration */

= QtCreator and MADDE on Mac OS X =

This is a guide on how to enable MADDE in QtCreator. This is part of the technology preview. After following this guidance you are able to build your sources within QtCreator for your device, and deploy, run and debug your applications with few mouse clicks from your OS X installation.

Requires:

* [[MADDE | MADDE]] installed on your Mac
* If you want to compile your code natively then you have to have [http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/ XCode] installed on your machine

== General advice ==
As this is a technology preview, remember that bugs can occur. If some of the components don't work as expected, please add your question to the [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38075 talk-thread] and follow up the discussion.

== Install latest QtCreator on your PC ==

'''You cannot use the latest official QtCreator for this. The version has to be >= 1.3.80! For these instructions the version of the 2010-03-04 is used!''' Find the latest build of QtCreator for Mac OS X here:

http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-snapshots

== Add Qt for Maemo5 ==

You can change the configuration of the Qt-version in your QtCreator installation by clicking:

QtCreator -> Preferences -> Qt4 -> Qt Versions

'''Tip:''' If you do not see any Qt version by default here, you most likely haven't installed the needed Qt libraries to compile your Qt application for your Mac.

In the next step you have to add the Qt version for Maemo5 to the configuration of QtCreator. It is needed to compile your sources for your Maemo device. Click on the "+" in the upper-right corner. The configuration form will ask you to enter a "Version name" and to locate "qmake". You can find it in your MADDE installation folder under:

<MADDE_folder>/targets/<target_name>/bin

For the '''standard installation''' it would be for example:

Version name: Maemo Qt4.5
qmake Location: /Users/<username>/.madde/0.6.14/targets/fremantle-qt-0951/bin/qmake.exe

'''Tip:''' You cannot find the folder if you click on "Choose...", as it is hidden. But after entering "/Users/<username>/.madde/" in the text-field "qmake Location" you can select the rest via the "Choose..." button.

Now you will see Qt for Maemo as a new Qt Version in Qt Creator. But first you will see the red cross next to the Qt Version in the column "Debugging Helper". The last step you have to do now is clicking on "Rebuild" and after a while (you can follow the status in the QtCreator main window) it should look like this:

[[Image:01_mac_qtcreator_madde.png|500px]]

== Configure device run-time in Qt Creator ==

After setting up the connection between your Mac and your device, you will be able to compile, deploy, test and debug your application with a single mouse-click. The description shows the configuration for USB-networking and WLAN and is for each divided into two parts. It shows:

* what to install on device, and
* how to set-up your Mac

=== General device set-up ===

Please find the instructions on how to set up the device runtime from here:

* [[MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows#Install_the_client | Install the client]]

=== Connect via USB-networking ===

==== Device configuration ====

The following guide shows you, what to do on your device to set up the USB connection. This has to be done '''before''' you connect your device with the Mac:

* [[MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows#Configure_the_client_for_USB | Configure the client for USB networking]]

==== Mac configuration ====

Connect the device with your mac, open the network configurations out of the upcoming dialog and enter the following details. Finally click on "Apply". Then the connection should be established.

[[Image:02_mac_usbnetwork.png|400px]]

'''Possible connection problem:'''

In some versions of Mac OS X ''' < 10.5.8''', the system selects the [http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Setting_up_USBnet#USBnet_on_Mac_OS_X_10.5.X wrong interface] by default, so that you won't be able to connect your device as a network component with the Mac via USB. OS X detects the N900 in those cases as a modem and not as a network device. Follow these instructions to install the necessary driver information:

http://bugcommunity.com/wiki/index.php/Start_Guide_Mac_OS_X_10.5

After installing the patch, you can connect the device and configure the network interface as shown in the screen-shot above.

=== Connect via WLAN ===

If both devices are connected to the same wireless network the configuration is a bit easier, but be aware that the IP address might not be the same all the time. This effects the set up of your QtCreator configuration.

==== Device configuration ====

Please open the mad-developer application. If you are connected already to the wireless network, you can find the IP address in the initial window of the application:

[[Image:10_mac_mad-dev_wlan.png|300px]]

==== Mac configuration ====

Please just make sure, that your Mac and device are connected to the same network.

=== QtCreator Configuration ===

After the connection between your PC and the device is set up, you can configure QtCreator to deploy and run the built applications on device. You can add your device in the configuration. You will find it in:

QtCreator -> Preferences -> Qt4 -> Maemo Device Configurations

First get the password from the Mad Developer application. You get it by clicking on "Developer Password" in the main view. '''Be aware''' that each time you click on the button, a new password will be created and that the password is only valid for the time it is shown in the application.

[[Image:04_b_client_ready.png|300px]] [[Image:05_client_pw.png|300px]]

====Instructions for USB-network====

Add the password and all the data you see in the screenshot below. Check the box, that you want to use the password as the authentication method. After that click on "test" and see if the connection can be set up.

[[Image:03_mac_qtcreator_usbnetwork.png|300px]]

====Instructions for WLAN====

If your device is using the WLAN interface, please enter the IP address you can see in the mad-developer application on device.

[[Image:04_mac_qtcreator_wlan.png|300px]]

'''Tip''' You can use your ssh key for the connection. Click on "Deploy Key ..." and select your key. If the other settings are correct the key will be automatically deployed on your device, so that you don't have to worry about the passwords anymore.

== Use Maemo5 build settings ==

Now all the configuration is done and you can select Maemo as a build configuration. If you have a project, which you want to compile for Maemo, then click on the project button in the menu of the left side. Now you should seen a screen, like in the screen shot below. If you have the Qt libraries installed, then you will have the "Desktop" as the default option selected.

[[Image:06_mac_qtcreator_init.png]]

'''Tip:'''

* It might be that you don't see the "Desktop" widget in your project configuration. In this case it might be that the configuration of the MADDE is not correct, or that a little bug prevents the widget from showing up. In this case click on "Dependencies" and then go back to "Build".

* If you start a new project you can add the Maemo build-configuration at the beginning:

:[[Image:05_mac_qtcreator_select_madde.png|300px]]

Now press the plus in the widget, which shows, that "Desktop" is selected as default. This should open a new dialog, where you select "Maemo Device". After that you will find a new build-configuration:

[[Image:07_mac_qtcreator_maemo_build.png]]

Now click there on "Run" and select your device, which you have configured before. In the example it was called Maemo5 Device.

[[Image:08_mac_qtcreator_maemo_run.png]]

Finally you can now set in the down left corner, which build configuration you want to use:

[[Image:09_mac_qtcreator_final.png]]

Now you can click on the run button, and your application will be automatically compiled for the Maemo device, delpoyed, and started.

[[Category:Development]]

Root access

2008-08-11T11:20:20Z

127.0.0.1: /* OpenSSH */ Remove bit about securing root access since it's done on install

'''Warning: The steps described on this page ''could'' lead to severe damage to your system and/or device. Proceed at your own peril. It is ''likely'' that any breakage would be fixed by [[Upgrading tablet OS|reflashing your device]]: however this will lose any settings not backed up.'''

Having [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_user root] access is an important step for users interested in modifying things "under the covers" of their tablets; without it, you wont have the necessary permissions to make those modifications. Unfortunately, root access is disabled by default on new tablets. Thankfully, the steps to enable root access are simple.

== Why do I want root? ==

root access is ''not'' required to install additional applications through Application Manager, open X Terminal or use your tablet in day-to-day operation.

If you want to edit the underlying system configuration, install applications ''through the command line'' or other low-level tasks, you ''will'' require root access.

== rootsh ==
''Note: As rootsh is the simplest option, and does not require a desktop computer or running additional services, it is the recommended method for gaining root access.''

rootsh is available in Extras, and can be installed from the Application manager if you have [[Extras]] enabled.

Then, from the shell, run <code>sudo gainroot</code> (or <code>root</code> for short). This will give you a root shell.

== OpenSSH ==

# [[Extras|Enable Extras]] (if you haven't already).
# Install OpenSSH (client and server).
** This will prompt you to change the root password from the default, <code>rootme</code>.
# SSH into your tablet as root
#* For local access, run <code>ssh root@localhost</code>
#* For remote access, run <code>ssh root@''tablet's ip address''</code>
# Use the root password entered at step (2) to log in.

To debug issues with SSH connections, use the SSH '-v' option.

(To get SSH X forwarding ('-X' option) to work, you need to install ''xauth'' (or ''xbase-clients'') package and enable X forwarding in the SSH server configuration file on the machine where you're connecting to.)

== R&D Mode ==

''Note: As R&D mode has other side effects beyond simply enabling root access (including several that may negatively impact battery life), it is ''not'' the recommended method for gaining root access. Use [[#rootsh|rootsh]] instead.

You can enable the Research & Development mode (R&D or RD mode, which enables you to execute <code>sudo gainroot</code> to get a root shell, simply follow the setup steps for flashing covered in [[Upgrading_tablet_OS#Flashing_your_Nokia_tablet|Upgrading tablet OS]], then execute

sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode -R

You are now in R&D mode, and the sudo gainroot script's check will be satisfied.

[[Category:Users]]
[[Category:Wiki page of the day]]

Wiki gardeners

2008-08-10T16:59:35Z

127.0.0.1:

This group is intended to act as a focusing point for, in the immediate term, the [http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ midgard wiki to mediawiki migration] and, in the long term, as a centralized organization point for all [[Main Page|maemowiki]]-related improvement efforts.

Right now, the primary goal of this group is to assist with cleaning up the fallout of midgard wiki to mediawiki move by putting together a strong framework (templates, categorization, etc) for moving forward with a well organized and useful [[Main Page|maemowiki]], and bringing all of the ex-midgard wikipages up to the higher quality standards of the new mediawiki.

== Tasks ==
This is a summary of the group's current tasks. This list will be refined and expanded over the next few weeks as we determine the correct scope and focus, and pound out the details of this work.

* Get the word out.
* Bring in people to help with the group's projects and begin defining task forces with certain realms of responsibility.

=== Midgard migration ===
* Migrate old wiki pages to the new wiki, according to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/
* [[MAG:Categorization#Proposed categories|Categorise them]].
* Get the old midgard articles up to speed for the mediawiki, style, format and syntax.
** The articles will hopefully be tagged as former midgard articles during the migration (which will provide us with an auto-generated list similar to the way Wikipedia tags articles as belonging to a particular WikiProject), users should refer to this list for articles that need to be brought up to speed with mediawiki standards.
** Users should then remove the midgard tag after bringing tagged articles up to speed.
* Update article content to be relevant for the latest maemo and Internet Tablet OS releases.

==== Principles guiding the migration ====
* Page names should be short and to the point. The page name is a label, not a sentence. No more "How to EASILY boot from an MMC Card". "MMC card boot" (or similar) will do.
** Page names should also be capitalized like a sentence instead of a title ("MMC card boot", ''not'' "MMC Card Boot") and should contain spaces ("MMC card boot", ''not'' "MMCCardBoot").
* The front page must remain clean. Each section will have 4 to 5 front-page links, with a category link (hidden behind "More topics") to all of the other pages in the category. We cat use subcategories too, for sections that get cumbersome (personal opinion of cumbersome: more than 20 articles).
* Pages should be split or consolidated so that they are roughly 1 to 2 browser page-lengths long. There's nothing worse than a 3-sentence wiki-page, or a 20-page document.
* I think we should link to the content outside the wiki which someone browsing to the wiki is likely to want to find. That means that for a developer, the first two links should be "An introduction to maemo" and "Porting applications to maemo". Even though these are not wiki documents, and are official docs. Given that there is a plan to move official documentation to the wiki, this seems reasonable to me.
--[[User:dneary|dneary]] 20:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

=== Templates ===
{{main|MAG:Templates}}
* Put together a set of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates templates] to assist in the categorization, tagging and expansion of articles, and help maintain a uniform style and format across the wiki.
* Set up a template reference page.
* Categorize all templates.

=== Categorization ===
{{main|MAG:Categorization}}
* Begin defining clear categories for the organization of articles.
* Place articles into the correct categories.
* Put together an categorical index.

=== Front page ===
* Put together a framework for the front page that is pretty, easy to use, and easy to modify.
* Set down a plan for front page maintenance and updating. As it's the most visible part of the website, changes to the front page shouldn't be taken lightly.

== Members ==
New members should simply add their name to the bottom of the list and jump right into the project.

# [[User:generalantilles|generalantilles]] 21:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:dneary|dneary]] 10:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:lcuk|lcuk]] 22:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:jaffa|jaffa]] 07:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:andrewfblack|andrewfblack]] 10:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:baloo|Baloo]] 22:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
# [[User:timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] 02:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Community]]

Wiki gardeners

2008-08-10T12:22:20Z

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Wiki gardeners

2008-08-08T19:43:19Z

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Wiki gardeners

2008-08-08T17:32:37Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tasks */

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-08-07T20:37:03Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 16 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Monday 15 ===
Arrive one day before the conference.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 10:35
| [[User:hhedberg | Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY911 from Helsinki, Finland
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 08:55
| [[User:ntsourak | Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 974 from Zurich
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 12:25
| Daniele Maio ([[User:b0unc3|b0unc3]]), Mauro Foti ([[User:skler|skler]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Alitalia AZ 420
|-
| 13:15
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8269 from Vienna
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Peter Schneider ([[User:peterschneider|peterschneider]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Juha Tukkinen ([[User:jtukkine|jtukkine]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:40
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF2534
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|-
| 09:40
| [[User:Brontide | Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL078 from JFK
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 9:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1434 From France
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 18:25
| [[User:kvalo|Kalle Valo]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY 917 from Helsinki
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|-
| 21:27
| Krischan Keitsch
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE 1090
|-
| 23:08
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train from Bonn (using ICE from Köln)
|-
| 8:05
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 06:10
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8358 to Vienna
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 08:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1435 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 09:48
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| back to Bonn (ICE to Köln)
|-
| 09:55
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF1435
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 11:25
| [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL079 to JFK
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:jtukkine | Juha Tukkinen]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:kvalo | Kalle Valo]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 13:15
| [[User:b0unc3 | Daniele Maio]], [[User:skler | Mauro Foti ]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Alitalia AZ 421
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 18:10
| [[User:ntsourak|Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 3655 to Zurich
|-
| 19:10
| [[User:hhedberg|Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY918 to Helsinki, Finland
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-08-07T20:36:01Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 16 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Monday 15 ===
Arrive one day before the conference.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 10:35
| [[User:hhedberg | Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY911 from Helsinki, Finland
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 08:55
| [[User:ntsourak | Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 974 from Zurich
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 12:25
| [[User:b0unc3 | Daniele Maio]] , [[User:skler| Mauro Foti]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Alitalia AZ 420
|-
| 13:15
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8269 from Vienna
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Peter Schneider ([[User:peterschneider|peterschneider]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Juha Tukkinen ([[User:jtukkine|jtukkine]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:40
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF2534
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|-
| 09:40
| [[User:Brontide | Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL078 from JFK
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 9:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1434 From France
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 18:25
| [[User:kvalo|Kalle Valo]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY 917 from Helsinki
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|-
| 21:27
| Krischan Keitsch
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE 1090
|-
| 23:08
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train from Bonn (using ICE from Köln)
|-
| 8:05
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 06:10
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8358 to Vienna
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 08:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1435 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 09:48
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| back to Bonn (ICE to Köln)
|-
| 09:55
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF1435
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 11:25
| [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL079 to JFK
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:jtukkine | Juha Tukkinen]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:kvalo | Kalle Valo]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 13:15
| [[User:b0unc3 | Daniele Maio]], [[User:skler | Mauro Foti ]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Alitalia AZ 421
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 18:10
| [[User:ntsourak|Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 3655 to Zurich
|-
| 19:10
| [[User:hhedberg|Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AY918 to Helsinki, Finland
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-08-07T20:34:57Z

127.0.0.1: /* Sunday 21 */

Questions for Nokia

2008-08-06T10:25:43Z

127.0.0.1: Clarify that I was asking about video out through the 3.5mm jack

This page collects questions from the community on the availability of drivers, hardware support and documentation and other resources associated with elements of the Nokia internet tablets.

== Hardware support questions ==

===Status of PowerVR MBX driver [2] and OpenGL implementation===
We have PowerVR MBX chips sat in our N8x0 machines, doing, afaict, not a lot. It would be nice if it worked (think OpenGL loveliness in games, and I would hope some frivolous but eye catching snazzy desktop features - prettier UI = more publicity = more sales; perhaps...). There are Linux 2.6.x kernel drivers available, though not for the right kernel version and for the OMAP2430 rather than OMAP2420. —Simon Pickering
::Deadline for answer: [[Maemo summit 2008|maemo summit]].--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::How does the latest reply to this [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 bug] affect this question? --Simon Pickering (lardman)
::::Daniel has very well indicated what are the plans and reasons until Diablo. The deadline above is to answer about the future.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 05:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

===Status of DSP SBC task===
In the roadmap there used to be (what I interpreted as) mention of implementing a DSP task to handle encoding audio for A2DP use (where A2DP stands for Advanced Audio Distribution Protocol and is a Bluetooth protocol for sending data to Bluetooth stereo headsets [1]). SBC stands for subband codec, which is the default encoding method required by A2DP hardware. At the moment this encoding must be carried out by the ARM in software, but if the task could be offloaded to the DSP it would free up the ARM to do other things (such as decoding video better). —Simon Pickering
::We have a working (but not-realtime yet) [https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ DSP task] for this, so not a major priority for me at least --Simon Pickering (lardman) 17.05 19 June 2008 BST.
:::Working real-time now, and with ARM @400MHz (DSP @133MHz) [https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ DSP task] is here. Integration with media player, etc., is next step... --Simon Pickering (lardman) 08.58 16 July 2008 BST.

===Status of IVA===
This is part of the OMAP2420 and stands for Imaging and Video Accelerator chip. Its abilities are described at the end of this document [3], in the specifications. It looks like it could do some useful acceleration. There is however no real information available (from Ti or elsewhere) about what it is, and how to program it, though there are some hints, e.g. [4]. The DSP gateway (which is the bridge software between the ARM and the DSP) has been expanded to allow it to interface with the IVA, but the patches say that there's no driver for the IVA itself [5]. Is this being pursued (as there's little we can do about it as we have no information) and if not, why not? —Simon Pickering
:: I understand that the IVA is some specialized HW plus an ARM7TDMIE core. Why is it not being used? Lack of time/it doesn't work very well/no-one wanted to write code for it/etc.? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 13.25 22 June 2008 BST.

===Status of AGPS support===
We have heard that there is AGPS software floating around inside Nokia. Is there any idea when we are likely to see this, and what method will it use to supply the data to the GPS chipset? Will it be possible for us to feed it data, i.e. will there be an API that we can access? —Simon Pickering
::This seems to be public knowledge by now. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Can we have an API so we can plug our own location service in (GeoClue anyone?) to provide the initial location for the SUPL server? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 09.00 16 July 2008 BST.
:::: I'll ask when the guys come from holidays. I know location API will improve but let me find out the details. In the meantime, have you tried knocking the door at http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet ? Direct access to location developers.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

===Wifi modules===
Is there any work being done to make binary only wifi modules open completely (definitively)? Or is it possible for Nokia to supply it in object form or at least updated as the kernel API changes over time? —Nick Loeve
::We can't give much details at this point, but something is going on and it should meet at least the basic community expectations. A safe deadline for an answer would be the [[Maemo summit 2008|maemo summit]].--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

===Video out===
Is there any reason video out is not supported? Or is it already and we just don't know about it? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 10.26 6 August 2008 (BST)
:There should be tablets supporting video out for the presentations in the Maemo Summit. Let's ask there the guys providing them. ;) --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::Just to clarify, I was asking about the availability of video out through the 3.5mm jack, were you also referring to this Quim? --[[User:lardman|lardman]] 11.25 6 August 2008 (BST)

== Open/closed software status questions for Nokia ==
===Mapping Openness===
Will maemo core provide list of maemo components with their open/close status + reasons for each component why it is closed. —hrw
::Now this is an accepted task in the 100 Days action plan. See [[Increasing transparency]].

===tablet-browser===
Why is the tablet-browser-ui closed? —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

===Bookmark manager engine===
I want to programmatically access and manipulate bookmarks. Why is the [http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/10/licensing-overview.html bookmark manager engine closed]? —Iñigo Illán Aranburu

== Bug/bug tracker related questions for Nokia ==

===Thumb keyboard and text cell renderers===
When will the thumb keyboard bug with text cell renderers (to edit table cells, e.g. in maemopad+ or todo) be fixed? how are priorities assigned inside of nokia to such bugs? —Thomas 'thp' Perl
::Bug number/URL, please?--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I believe it's [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 bug #1958]. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 14:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

===Security bugs===
When will the bugs tagged 'security' in bugzilla be acknowledged and fixed? Some have been open since early 2007 without even an acknowledgement from the maintainer. I ask Nokia because, to date, all these bugs are in Nokia-contributed code. Will responsiveness to security issues ever become a priority at Nokia? Will there, for example, ever be a public security contact for Nokia products? Will Nokia (or the security@maemo.org staff, which today consists entirely of Nokia people) provide/produce a list of all upstream packages (and their version numbers) for ITOS versions to facilitate tracking of security issues in upstream code? —Olle Segerdahl
::The information available about security is located at http://maemo.org/community/security.html . If you need to know more or you think there should be additional information in that page please use the contact provided there.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::Fyi http://maemo.org/community/security.html has been updated after the Maemo 4.1 / OS2008 Feature Upgrade release.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Documentation related questions for Nokia ==

===dmse and bme===
Is it likely that some documentation (or code) will be made available in the future for the dsme and bme components for power/battery/charging/device control on the tablets?

===Serial interface===
Is it possible to document the serial pins for the N8x0 devices?
:: The pins on the n800 are somewhat documented by keesj at [http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_kernelcompilation/ the old wiki] --[[User:trickie|trickie]] 14:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[[Category:Community]]

Questions for Nokia

2008-08-06T09:27:57Z

127.0.0.1: Added question about video-out

This page collects questions from the community on the availability of drivers, hardware support and documentation and other resources associated with elements of the Nokia internet tablets.

== Hardware support questions ==

===Status of PowerVR MBX driver [2] and OpenGL implementation===
We have PowerVR MBX chips sat in our N8x0 machines, doing, afaict, not a lot. It would be nice if it worked (think OpenGL loveliness in games, and I would hope some frivolous but eye catching snazzy desktop features - prettier UI = more publicity = more sales; perhaps...). There are Linux 2.6.x kernel drivers available, though not for the right kernel version and for the OMAP2430 rather than OMAP2420. —Simon Pickering
::Deadline for answer: [[Maemo summit 2008|maemo summit]].--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::How does the latest reply to this [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 bug] affect this question? --Simon Pickering (lardman)
::::Daniel has very well indicated what are the plans and reasons until Diablo. The deadline above is to answer about the future.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 05:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

===Status of DSP SBC task===
In the roadmap there used to be (what I interpreted as) mention of implementing a DSP task to handle encoding audio for A2DP use (where A2DP stands for Advanced Audio Distribution Protocol and is a Bluetooth protocol for sending data to Bluetooth stereo headsets [1]). SBC stands for subband codec, which is the default encoding method required by A2DP hardware. At the moment this encoding must be carried out by the ARM in software, but if the task could be offloaded to the DSP it would free up the ARM to do other things (such as decoding video better). —Simon Pickering
::We have a working (but not-realtime yet) [https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ DSP task] for this, so not a major priority for me at least --Simon Pickering (lardman) 17.05 19 June 2008 BST.
:::Working real-time now, and with ARM @400MHz (DSP @133MHz) [https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ DSP task] is here. Integration with media player, etc., is next step... --Simon Pickering (lardman) 08.58 16 July 2008 BST.

===Status of IVA===
This is part of the OMAP2420 and stands for Imaging and Video Accelerator chip. Its abilities are described at the end of this document [3], in the specifications. It looks like it could do some useful acceleration. There is however no real information available (from Ti or elsewhere) about what it is, and how to program it, though there are some hints, e.g. [4]. The DSP gateway (which is the bridge software between the ARM and the DSP) has been expanded to allow it to interface with the IVA, but the patches say that there's no driver for the IVA itself [5]. Is this being pursued (as there's little we can do about it as we have no information) and if not, why not? —Simon Pickering
:: I understand that the IVA is some specialized HW plus an ARM7TDMIE core. Why is it not being used? Lack of time/it doesn't work very well/no-one wanted to write code for it/etc.? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 13.25 22 June 2008 BST.

===Status of AGPS support===
We have heard that there is AGPS software floating around inside Nokia. Is there any idea when we are likely to see this, and what method will it use to supply the data to the GPS chipset? Will it be possible for us to feed it data, i.e. will there be an API that we can access? —Simon Pickering
::This seems to be public knowledge by now. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Can we have an API so we can plug our own location service in (GeoClue anyone?) to provide the initial location for the SUPL server? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 09.00 16 July 2008 BST.
:::: I'll ask when the guys come from holidays. I know location API will improve but let me find out the details. In the meantime, have you tried knocking the door at http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet ? Direct access to location developers.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

===Wifi modules===
Is there any work being done to make binary only wifi modules open completely (definitively)? Or is it possible for Nokia to supply it in object form or at least updated as the kernel API changes over time? —Nick Loeve
::We can't give much details at this point, but something is going on and it should meet at least the basic community expectations. A safe deadline for an answer would be the [[Maemo summit 2008|maemo summit]].--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

===Video out===
Is there any reason video out is not supported? Or is it already and we just don't know about it? --Simon Pickering (lardman) 10.26 6 August 2008 (BST)

== Open/closed software status questions for Nokia ==
===Mapping Openness===
Will maemo core provide list of maemo components with their open/close status + reasons for each component why it is closed. —hrw
::Now this is an accepted task in the 100 Days action plan. See [[Increasing transparency]].

===tablet-browser===
Why is the tablet-browser-ui closed? —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 20:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

===Bookmark manager engine===
I want to programmatically access and manipulate bookmarks. Why is the [http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/10/licensing-overview.html bookmark manager engine closed]? —Iñigo Illán Aranburu

== Bug/bug tracker related questions for Nokia ==

===Thumb keyboard and text cell renderers===
When will the thumb keyboard bug with text cell renderers (to edit table cells, e.g. in maemopad+ or todo) be fixed? how are priorities assigned inside of nokia to such bugs? —Thomas 'thp' Perl
::Bug number/URL, please?--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I believe it's [https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 bug #1958]. —[[User:generalantilles|GeneralAntilles]] 14:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

===Security bugs===
When will the bugs tagged 'security' in bugzilla be acknowledged and fixed? Some have been open since early 2007 without even an acknowledgement from the maintainer. I ask Nokia because, to date, all these bugs are in Nokia-contributed code. Will responsiveness to security issues ever become a priority at Nokia? Will there, for example, ever be a public security contact for Nokia products? Will Nokia (or the security@maemo.org staff, which today consists entirely of Nokia people) provide/produce a list of all upstream packages (and their version numbers) for ITOS versions to facilitate tracking of security issues in upstream code? —Olle Segerdahl
::The information available about security is located at http://maemo.org/community/security.html . If you need to know more or you think there should be additional information in that page please use the contact provided there.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 19:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::Fyi http://maemo.org/community/security.html has been updated after the Maemo 4.1 / OS2008 Feature Upgrade release.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Documentation related questions for Nokia ==

===dmse and bme===
Is it likely that some documentation (or code) will be made available in the future for the dsme and bme components for power/battery/charging/device control on the tablets?

===Serial interface===
Is it possible to document the serial pins for the N8x0 devices?
:: The pins on the n800 are somewhat documented by keesj at [http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_kernelcompilation/ the old wiki] --[[User:trickie|trickie]] 14:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[[Category:Community]]

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-08-05T10:05:08Z

127.0.0.1: /* Sunday 21 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Monday 15 ===
Arrive one day before the conference.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| ?
| [[User:hhedberg | Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin ?
| Not yet confirmed
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 08:55
| [[User:ntsourak | Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 974 from Zurich
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 13:15
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8269 from Vienna
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Peter Schneider ([[User:peterschneider|peterschneider]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Juha Tukkinen ([[User:jtukkine|jtukkine]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:40
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF2534
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|-
| 09:40
| [[User:Brontide | Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL078 from JFK
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 9:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1434 From France
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|-
| 21:27
| Krischan Keitsch
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE 1090
|-
| 23:08
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train from Bonn (using ICE from Köln)
|-
| 8:05
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 06:10
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8358 to Vienna
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 08:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1435 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 09:48
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| back to Bonn (ICE to Köln)
|-
| 09:55
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF1435
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 11:25
| [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL079 to JFK
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:jtukkine | Juha Tukkinen]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-

| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 18:10
| [[User:ntsourak|Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 3655 to Zurich
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| ?
| [[User:hhedberg|Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin ?
| Not yet confirmed
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-08-05T10:03:54Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 16 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Monday 15 ===
Arrive one day before the conference.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| ?
| [[User:hhedberg | Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin ?
| Not yet confirmed
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 08:55
| [[User:ntsourak | Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 974 from Zurich
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 13:15
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8269 from Vienna
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Peter Schneider ([[User:peterschneider|peterschneider]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Juha Tukkinen ([[User:jtukkine|jtukkine]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:40
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF2534
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|-
| 09:40
| [[User:Brontide | Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL078 from JFK
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 9:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1434 From France
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|-
| 21:27
| Krischan Keitsch
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE 1090
|-
| 23:08
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train from Bonn (using ICE from Köln)
|-
| 8:05
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 06:10
| Thomas Perl ([[User:thp|thp]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AB8358 to Vienna
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 08:30
| Benoît HERVIER ([[User:khertan|khertan]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight AF 1435 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 09:48
| [[User:Framstag|Tim Teulings]]
| Berlin Hbf
| back to Bonn (ICE to Köln)
|-
| 09:55
| Loïc Minier ([[User:lool]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Air France AF1435
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 11:25
| [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Delta Air Lines DL079 to JFK
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 18:10
| [[User:ntsourak|Nikos Tsourakis]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Swiss - LX 3655 to Zurich
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| ?
| [[User:hhedberg|Henrik Hedberg]]
| Berlin ?
| Not yet confirmed
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

Playing OGG files

2008-08-05T09:57:46Z

127.0.0.1: /* Ogg capable players if gstreamer ogg codecs are installed */

The Nokia Internet Tablets don't have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg ogg] support out of the box, but you can listen audio in this format by installing third party software. There is a feature request to have Ogg support in the tablets out of the box, see [http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Bug #176: Support for OGG Vorbis / Theora missing].

There has been [[programming the DSP | some work by community members]] enabled by the release of the DSP toolchain on the the Texas Instruments TMS320C55x DSP being released to the public, but essential proprietary components are still licensed and under NDA by TI in the form of the Code Composer Studio IDE. Simon Pickering has, nonetheless, [http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-July/034209.html developed a working audio decoder using the DSP on a Nokia N810].

= Gstreamer ogg codecs =

*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mogg/ mogg]
*[http://downloads.maemo.org/product/ogg Ogg support]

These codecs run on the main CPU, not on the DSP.

= Ogg capable players if gstreamer ogg codecs are installed =

*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp UKMP]
*[http://kilikali.garage.maemo.org Kilikali]
*[http://madabar.com/exailemaemo/ Exaile port for maemo]
*[https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu/ Kagu] (uses osso-media-server like the built-in player)
*[http://www.rojtberg.net/workspace/youamp/ YouAmp]
*[http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ Canola2], requires this extra [http://eblima.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lightmediascanner.install install] to enable the scanning of .ogg files (more info [http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/05/ogg-support-on-canola2.html here]).

= Players with built-in ogg capability =

*[http://downloads.maemo.org/product/mplayer Mplayer]
*[http://downloads.maemo.org/product/oggplay/Ogg Vorbis Player] (for the 770 only)
*[https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd mpd]

See also this (long) [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3441&pp=10 InternetTabletTalk thread]: gstreamer with ogg vorbis support

There is information for developers to enable ogg support in their applications at the "Getting started with multimedia" how-to pages for [https://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html maemo 4.x], [http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html maemo 3.x], and [http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/getting_started.html maemo 2.2])

[[Category:Users]]

Maemo Summit 2008

2008-08-02T17:56:01Z

127.0.0.1: /* Saturday 20 */

[[image:C-logo_claim_blue.png‎|right]]

'''Join the first Maemo Summit'''

'''Berlin, September 19-20''' @ [http://c-base.org/ c-base] - right after http://www.osimworld.com

'''[https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html Free registration]''' - '''[http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ Who is attending]'''

Know more about Nokia's Linux platform and its evolution. Meet the core team, 3rd party professional developers and key community contributors. Showcase and discuss your work. Learn, share, hack. And have fun!

The [http://www.osimworld.com Open Source in Mobile World] conference is an interesting venue to know more about the business and technical context of the Maemo platform. Nokia is active in this event and invites the Maemo community to join it. After the conference we propose the first Maemo Summit calling to all contributors.

== Schedule ==

The program is still open. The basic idea is to have few and well executed session plus plenty of free time and free-form activities. You can propose sessions and improvements in the [[Talk:Maemo summit 2008|discussion]] page.

'''The sessions and names are confirmed but the day/time they are scheduled might still change.'''

{| width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000"
|+
=== Friday 19 ===
|-
| width="112" | '''9:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Opening doors'''
|-
| '''9:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Welcome!''', by [http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ Ari Jaaksi] (VP - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''10:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''The outside view''', by [http://dailythemes.wordpress.com/ Jay Sullivan] ([http://www.mozilla.com/ Mozilla Corp.])
|-
| '''10:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Hildon UI Vision''', by Harri Kiljander (Director, User Experience - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''11:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''What Maemo users want''', by [http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-community-spotlight.html Reggie Suplido] ([http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Internet Tablet Talk]) and [http://www.neoncherry.com/ Krisse] ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/ Internet Tablet School])
|-
| '''11:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''What value can developers get out of Maemo''', by Peter Schneider (Head of Product Marketing, Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''12:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Break.'''
|-
| '''12:15'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lightning sessions''', 5 min each + up to 1 extra min of grace. No more, no less. '''More slots left'''. [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Lightning_.2Aidea.2A_sessions|Lightning ideas]] are welcome too. List your proposal below keeping the format. Don't worry about how many sessions fit in this time slot, we will have an additional lightning session at 18h if there are more sessions proposed.
# [http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk liqbase], by Gary Birkett ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk.html lcuk])
# Converting videos on Linux using [http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html tablet-encode], by Andrew Flegg ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa/ Jaffa])
# [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 Debian in a chroot on the tablet], demo by Alan Bruce (qole).
# Maemo Bug Jar: Origins, Results, and Future Plans, by Stephen Gadsby ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/sjgadsby/ sjgadsby]).
# Geocaching with [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpxview/ gpxview] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper Maemo Mapper], by [http://www.linuxvision.de/ Uwe Koch]. ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/asys3/ asys3]).
# [http://samoff.com/maemoui/ An Unofficial Guide to Creating a Most Excellent maemo User Interface], by [[User:Timsamoff |Tim Samoff]].
# [http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ ESBox] and [http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ Pluthon] '''Eclipse''' plugins: how to use Eclipse to develop Maemo applications, bye [[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]].
# Teaser: maemo development using [http://illumination.sf.net Illumination] by [[User:framstag|Tim Teulings]].
# Cloud storage: Improve you app by syncing with internet services like Google Docs or Picasaweb by [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]
# Podcasts on NITs with [http://maemo.gpodder.org/ gPodder] and [http://thpinfo.com/2008/panucci/ Panucci] by Thomas Perl ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/thp.html thp])

|-
| '''14:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lunch!'''
|-
| rowspan="2" | '''15:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''BoF meetings & workshops''' ([[Talk:Maemo summit 2008#BoFs and Workshops|propose one]])
|-
| width="33%" | '''Hildon''', facilitated by (Nokia tbd)
| width="33%" | Open
| width="33%" | Open
|-
| '''16:00'''
| '''[http://clutter-project.org/ Clutter]''', facilitated by [http://butterfeet.org/ Matthew Allum] ([http://o-hand.com/ OpenedHand])
| width="33%" | Open
| width="33%" | Open
|-
| '''17:00'''
| '''Tracker''', facilitated by (Nokia & others tbd).
| width="33%" | '''GStreamer''', facilitated by (Nokia developer tbd).
| width="33%" | '''Connectivity''', by Kalle Valo (Nokia).
|-
| '''18:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Chill out.'''
* Dinner, music, drinks tbd.
* Dress code recommended: t-shirt with the maemo.org logo of [[Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions|your choice]]. DISCLAIMER: can't be the winner logo. ;)
|}

{| width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000"
|+

===Saturday 20===

I'm still working on a better way of scheduling this. Please feel free to email [[User:brontide|me]] or post on the discussion page if you have input. This is a work in progress, if you have good topic for community day I will find a way to schedule you in.

|-
| width="53" | '''9:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Opening doors''' and wlan.
|-
| '''9:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''maemo.org after [[100Days|100 Days]]''', by [http://flors.wordpress.com/ Quim Gil] (marketing manager, open source - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''10:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Introducing the [[Task:Community Council|Maemo Community Council]]''' (assuming there is one), by the members.
|-
| '''10:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''"We are not the Users": The hate and love behind the custom User experiences on Maemo.''' My goal is to talk about why be so different, why we ran from GTK, what are the motivations to do things in a so different way, the drawbacks and benefits of custom user experiences and the most important law for us on interaction designer: We are not the users, and why we must look at the problem with their eyes, even when we think it's not as smart as we would do it (or we think we could do it). Also a little bit of how to combine designers and developers on a same team as we did with Canola, Carman and the future maemo projects coming from INDT. By [[User:handful|Marcelo eduardo]]
|-
| width="53" | '''11:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''BoF: Future of maemo.org extras''', by Niels (and Ed?)
|-
| '''11:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lightning sessions''', 5 min each + up to 1 extra min of grace. No more, no less.
# mCalendar and mContact: advanced syncing with google services [[User:khertan|Benoît HERVIER]]
# py2deb: packaging your app onboard using py2deb and extras autobuilder [[User:khertan|Benoît HERVIER]]
# Placeholder for Saturday sessions
|-
| '''12:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Break'''
|-
| '''TRACKS'''
| width="33%" | '''Community/Discussion'''
| width="33%" | '''Development'''
| width="33%" | '''Core Platform'''
|-
| '''12:30'''
| width="33%" | '''[[2010 Agenda]]''': Review Session
| width="33%" | '''Packaging and publishing software'''
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''13:30'''
| width="33%" | '''[http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona Mamona] & Maemo: 2 way contribution (How to learn and grow up together)''', by Mamona developers from INdT.
| width="33%" | Rountable on porting application to and exploiting the advantages of the maemo platform. lead by [[User:anidel|anidel]]
| width="33%" | '''maemo.org extras Package Cleanup Sprint'''
|-
| '''13:30'''
| width="33%" | '''Building a Business on Maemo:''' At [http://frogmetrics.com Frogmetrics] we're building a real time customer feedback system on the Maemo platform. Come participate in a discussion about using tablets and the Maemo platform to build sustainable products and profitable businesses. [[User:dob|Doug Petkanics]]
| width="33%" | '''Using [http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ mud-builder] to build packages''', by [[User:Jaffa|Jaffa]].
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''14:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lunch!'''
|-
| '''15:00'''
| width="33%" | -
| width="33%" | '''Embedded Webapps''' Using webpy framework for on tablet web services by [[user:fpp]]
| width="33%" | DSP Programming: Introduction to DSP programming with examples of where and how, problems that might be met, how to use the DSP Gateway, data transfer, etc. [[User:lardman|Simon Pickering]]
|-
| '''15:30'''
| width="33%" | '''"[http://samoff.com/maemoui/ An Unofficial Guide to Creating a Most Excellent maemo User Interface]": Help make it ''official!''''' I'd like to open the doc up for community input and editing. Let's come together to create some truly "excellent" standards for dealing with user-centered UI design within the Maemo development community, by, [[User:Timsamoff |Tim Samoff]].
| width="33%" | '''Introduction To Telepathy:''' Components and use on the maemo platform. by Marco Barisione
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''16:00'''
| width="33%" | -
| width="33%" | '''Qt Maemo-Hildon Port & How to Develop Qt Application for the Maemo Platform''', by [[User:kate |Kate Alhola]] & [[User:gnuton |Antonio Aloisio]].
| width="33%" | '''Introduction to WebKit''' Come see WebKit's internals, 2 of its ports (Gtk and Qt) and why it is cool to hack. by Pierre-Luc Beaudoin (Collabora)
|-
| '''16:30'''
| width="33%" | BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. Soliciting feedback and developers for the project. by [[user:gnuite]]
| width="33%" | '''Introduction to Google Data API's''': An introduction to Python gdata bindings that can allow for easy interaction between you app and Google services. by [[User:Brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''17:00'''
| colspan="3" | [[2010 Agenda|'''Maemo 2010''']]: Brainstorming session discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform. Where do we want to go in the next 24 months? What can we learn and share from other mobile platforms? Bring the whole community together to get input.
|-
| '''18:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''End.'''
|}

== Venue ==

The Maemo Summit is held in the headquarter of '''[http://www.c-base.org c-base]''' and the contiguous [http://www.eti-berlin.de/ eti Schauspielschule Berlin].

c-base is a non-profit association which has about 300 members. The purpose of this association is to increase knowledge and know-how regarding computer software, hardware and data networks ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base more]). eti Berlin is a school of actors based in a building with several rooms and a total surface available of 1.200m2. The perfect mix, full of creativity!

See [http://share.ovi.com/channel/qgil.public the videos].

c-base is in the very Mitte of Berlin. [http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=c-base&near=Berlin,+Germany&fb=1&cid=0,0,5828762841994571845&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image Map]

== Participants ==
'''[https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html REGISTER]'''

It's the first Maemo Summit and it is good to know in advance who plans to attend, to fine tune practicalities and have enough space, connection, drinks, food.

Yes, the entrance is free. Registration is still requested for planning purposes.

== Travel ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel|when people are arriving in and leaving Berlin]].

[[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Travel|Apparently]] there are options as affordable as 20€ including taxes from Stansted! [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Travel|Share your travel tips]] from different locations.

== Accommodation ==
See [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Sponsoring community contributors ==

See [[Maemo Summit 2008/Sponsorship]].

== Maemo in the OSiM program ==
See [[Maemo in OSiM World 2008]].

== Organization ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization]]. Volunteers needed!

== Links ==

Feel free to share/spread/forward/email...

* [http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/839617/ Maemo summit on Upcoming!]
* [http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=16582874206 Maemo summit on Facebook - requires FB registration]
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21569 Maemo summit discussion at Internet Tablet Talk]
* [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Calendar]

[[Events]]

Maemo Summit 2008

2008-08-02T09:31:15Z

127.0.0.1: /* Friday 19 */

[[image:C-logo_claim_blue.png‎|right]]

'''Join the first Maemo Summit'''

'''Berlin, September 19-20''' @ [http://c-base.org/ c-base] - right after http://www.osimworld.com

'''[https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html Free registration]''' - '''[http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ Who is attending]'''

Know more about Nokia's Linux platform and its evolution. Meet the core team, 3rd party professional developers and key community contributors. Showcase and discuss your work. Learn, share, hack. And have fun!

The [http://www.osimworld.com Open Source in Mobile World] conference is an interesting venue to know more about the business and technical context of the Maemo platform. Nokia is active in this event and invites the Maemo community to join it. After the conference we propose the first Maemo Summit calling to all contributors.

== Schedule ==

The program is still open. The basic idea is to have few and well executed session plus plenty of free time and free-form activities. You can propose sessions and improvements in the [[Talk:Maemo summit 2008|discussion]] page.

'''The sessions and names are confirmed but the day/time they are scheduled might still change.'''

{| width="100%" border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000"
|+
=== Friday 19 ===
|-
| width="112" | '''9:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Opening doors'''
|-
| '''9:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Welcome!''', by [http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ Ari Jaaksi] (VP - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''10:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''The outside view''', by [http://dailythemes.wordpress.com/ Jay Sullivan] ([http://www.mozilla.com/ Mozilla Corp.])
|-
| '''10:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Hildon UI Vision''', by Harri Kiljander (Director, User Experience - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''11:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''What Maemo users want''', by [http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-community-spotlight.html Reggie Suplido] ([http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Internet Tablet Talk]) and [http://www.neoncherry.com/ Krisse] ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/ Internet Tablet School])
|-
| '''11:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''What value can developers get out of Maemo''', by Peter Schneider (Head of Product Marketing, Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''12:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Break.'''
|-
| '''12:15'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lightning sessions''', 5 min each + up to 1 extra min of grace. No more, no less. '''More slots left'''. [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Lightning_.2Aidea.2A_sessions|Lightning ideas]] are welcome too. List your proposal below keeping the format. Don't worry about how many sessions fit in this time slot, we will have an additional lightning session at 18h if there are more sessions proposed.
# [http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk liqbase], by Gary Birkett ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/lcuk.html lcuk])
# Converting videos on Linux using [http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html tablet-encode], by Andrew Flegg ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa/ Jaffa])
# [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 Debian in a chroot on the tablet], demo by Alan Bruce (qole).
# Maemo Bug Jar: Origins, Results, and Future Plans, by Stephen Gadsby ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/sjgadsby/ sjgadsby]).
# Geocaching with [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gpxview/ gpxview] and [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper Maemo Mapper], by [http://www.linuxvision.de/ Uwe Koch]. ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/asys3/ asys3]).
# [http://samoff.com/maemoui/ An Unofficial Guide to Creating a Most Excellent maemo User Interface], by [[User:Timsamoff |Tim Samoff]].
# [http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ ESBox] and [http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ Pluthon] '''Eclipse''' plugins: how to use Eclipse to develop Maemo applications, bye [[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]].
# Teaser: maemo development using [http://illumination.sf.net Illumination] by [[User:framstag|Tim Teulings]].
# Cloud storage: Improve you app by syncing with internet services like Google Docs or Picasaweb by [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] (Maybe we can talk of mCalendar and mContact (sync with google) [[User:khertan|Benoît HERVIER]]
# Podcasts on NITs with [http://maemo.gpodder.org/ gPodder] and [http://thpinfo.com/2008/panucci/ Panucci] by Thomas Perl ([http://maemo.org/profile/view/thp.html thp])

|-
| '''14:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lunch!'''
|-
| rowspan="2" | '''15:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''BoF meetings & workshops''' ([[Talk:Maemo summit 2008#BoFs and Workshops|propose one]])
|-
| width="33%" | '''Hildon''', facilitated by (Nokia tbd)
| width="33%" | Open
| width="33%" | Open
|-
| '''16:00'''
| '''[http://clutter-project.org/ Clutter]''', facilitated by [http://butterfeet.org/ Matthew Allum] ([http://o-hand.com/ OpenedHand])
| width="33%" | Open
| width="33%" | Open
|-
| '''17:00'''
| '''Tracker''', facilitated by (Nokia & others tbd).
| width="33%" | '''GStreamer''', facilitated by (Nokia developer tbd).
| width="33%" | '''Connectivity''', by Kalle Valo (Nokia).
|-
| '''18:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Chill out.'''
* Dinner, music, drinks tbd.
* Dress code recommended: t-shirt with the maemo.org logo of [[Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions|your choice]]. DISCLAIMER: can't be the winner logo. ;)
|}

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===Saturday 20===

I'm still working on a better way of scheduling this. Please feel free to email [[User:brontide|me]] or post on the discussion page if you have input. This is a work in progress, if you have good topic for community day I will find a way to schedule you in.

|-
| width="53" | '''9:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Opening doors''' and wlan.
|-
| '''9:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''maemo.org after [[100Days|100 Days]]''', by [http://flors.wordpress.com/ Quim Gil] (marketing manager, open source - Maemo Software @ Nokia)
|-
| '''10:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Introducing the [[Task:Community Council|Maemo Community Council]]''' (assuming there is one), by the members.
|-
| '''10:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''"We are not the Users": The hate and love behind the custom User experiences on Maemo.''' My goal is to talk about why be so different, why we ran from GTK, what are the motivations to do things in a so different way, the drawbacks and benefits of custom user experiences and the most important law for us on interaction designer: We are not the users, and why we must look at the problem with their eyes, even when we think it's not as smart as we would do it (or we think we could do it). Also a little bit of how to combine designers and developers on a same team as we did with Canola, Carman and the future maemo projects coming from INDT. By [[User:handful|Marcelo eduardo]]
|-
| width="53" | '''11:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''BoF: Future of maemo.org extras''', by Niels (and Ed?)
|-
| '''11:30'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lightning sessions''', 5 min each + up to 1 extra min of grace. No more, no less.
# Placeholder for Saturday sessions
|-
| '''12:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Break'''
|-
| '''TRACKS'''
| width="33%" | '''Community/Discussion'''
| width="33%" | '''Development'''
| width="33%" | '''Core Platform'''
|-
| '''12:30'''
| width="33%" | '''[[2010 Agenda]]''': Review Session
| width="33%" | '''Packaging and publishing software'''
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''13:30'''
| width="33%" | '''[http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona Mamona] & Maemo: 2 way contribution (How to learn and grow up together)''', by Mamona developers from INdT.
| width="33%" | Rountable on porting application to and exploiting the advantages of the maemo platform. lead by [[User:anidel|anidel]]
| width="33%" | '''maemo.org extras Package Cleanup Sprint'''
|-
| '''13:30'''
| width="33%" | '''Building a Business on Maemo:''' At [http://frogmetrics.com Frogmetrics] we're building a real time customer feedback system on the Maemo platform. Come participate in a discussion about using tablets and the Maemo platform to build sustainable products and profitable businesses. [[User:dob|Doug Petkanics]]
| width="33%" | '''Using [http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ mud-builder] to build packages''', by [[User:Jaffa|Jaffa]].
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''14:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''Lunch!'''
|-
| '''15:00'''
| width="33%" | -
| width="33%" | '''Embedded Webapps''' Using webpy framework for on tablet web services by [[user:fpp]]
| width="33%" | DSP Programming: Introduction to DSP programming with examples of where and how, problems that might be met, how to use the DSP Gateway, data transfer, etc. [[User:lardman|Simon Pickering]]
|-
| '''15:30'''
| width="33%" | '''"[http://samoff.com/maemoui/ An Unofficial Guide to Creating a Most Excellent maemo User Interface]": Help make it ''official!''''' I'd like to open the doc up for community input and editing. Let's come together to create some truly "excellent" standards for dealing with user-centered UI design within the Maemo development community, by, [[User:Timsamoff |Tim Samoff]].
| width="33%" | '''Introduction To Telepathy:''' Components and use on the maemo platform. by Marco Barisione
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''16:00'''
| width="33%" | -
| width="33%" | '''Qt Maemo-Hildon Port & How to Develop Qt Application for the Maemo Platform''', by [[User:kate |Kate Alhola]] & [[User:gnuton |Antonio Aloisio]].
| width="33%" | '''Introduction to WebKit''' Come see WebKit's internals, 2 of its ports (Gtk and Qt) and why it is cool to hack. by Pierre-Luc Beaudoin (Collabora)
|-
| '''16:30'''
| width="33%" | BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. Soliciting feedback and developers for the project. by [[user:gnuite]]
| width="33%" | '''Introduction to Google Data API's''': An introduction to Python gdata bindings that can allow for easy interaction between you app and Google services. by [[User:Brontide|Eric Warnke]]
| width="33%" | -
|-
| '''17:00'''
| colspan="3" | [[2010 Agenda|'''Maemo 2010''']]: Brainstorming session discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform. Where do we want to go in the next 24 months? What can we learn and share from other mobile platforms? Bring the whole community together to get input.
|-
| '''18:00'''
| colspan="3" | '''End.'''
|}

== Venue ==

The Maemo Summit is held in the headquarter of '''[http://www.c-base.org c-base]''' and the contiguous [http://www.eti-berlin.de/ eti Schauspielschule Berlin].

c-base is a non-profit association which has about 300 members. The purpose of this association is to increase knowledge and know-how regarding computer software, hardware and data networks ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base more]). eti Berlin is a school of actors based in a building with several rooms and a total surface available of 1.200m2. The perfect mix, full of creativity!

See [http://share.ovi.com/channel/qgil.public the videos].

c-base is in the very Mitte of Berlin. [http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=c-base&near=Berlin,+Germany&fb=1&cid=0,0,5828762841994571845&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image Map]

== Participants ==
'''[https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html REGISTER]'''

It's the first Maemo Summit and it is good to know in advance who plans to attend, to fine tune practicalities and have enough space, connection, drinks, food.

Yes, the entrance is free. Registration is still requested for planning purposes.

== Travel ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel|when people are arriving in and leaving Berlin]].

[[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Travel|Apparently]] there are options as affordable as 20€ including taxes from Stansted! [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Travel|Share your travel tips]] from different locations.

== Accommodation ==
See [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Sponsoring community contributors ==

See [[Maemo Summit 2008/Sponsorship]].

== Maemo in the OSiM program ==
See [[Maemo in OSiM World 2008]].

== Organization ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization]]. Volunteers needed!

== Links ==

Feel free to share/spread/forward/email...

* [http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/839617/ Maemo summit on Upcoming!]
* [http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=16582874206 Maemo summit on Facebook - requires FB registration]
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21569 Maemo summit discussion at Internet Tablet Talk]
* [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Calendar]

[[Events]]

Wiki gardeners

2008-07-31T22:57:31Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tasks */

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-31T14:15:18Z

127.0.0.1: /* Friday 19 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)
* Ben van Klinken (CLucene/NL) mailinglist
* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL) mailinglist
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean) mailinglist
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation mailinglist
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia) mailinglist
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA) mailinglist
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse) mailinglist
* Jerry Tan (Tracker) mailinglist
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark) mailinglist
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine) mailinglist
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany) mailinglist
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia) mailinglist

fabrice.colin was invited, is on mailinglist, but won't make it.

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Ben van Klinken (Haarlem/NL: any time)
* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)
* Ben Martin
* Kevin Ottens
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark) (date to be confirmed)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia) (date to be confirmed)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l) Can leave 9pm on thursday

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka
* Ben van Klinken
* Kevin Ottens

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken
* Jos van den Oever
* Ben Martin
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark) (date to be confirmed)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia) (date to be confirmed)

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
*** Probably more than one workspace. Some people can work in xesam while other people hack/discuss other topics. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
*** I'll try to organize a list of goals and tasks. We can use that to check the success of the hackfest. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?
*** At least blogging of the people there. Publicity in planet.gnome/planet.kde --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-30T12:24:14Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)
* Ben van Klinken (CLucene/NL) mailinglist
* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL) mailinglist
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean) mailinglist
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation mailinglist
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia) mailinglist
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA) mailinglist
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse) mailinglist
* Jerry Tan (Tracker) mailinglist
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark) mailinglist
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine) mailinglist
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany) mailinglist
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia) mailinglist

fabrice.colin was invited, is on mailinglist, but won't make it.

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Ben van Klinken (Haarlem/NL: any time)
* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)
* Ben Martin
* Kevin Ottens

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka
* Ben van Klinken
* Kevin Ottens

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken
* Jos van den Oever
* Ben Martin

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
*** Probably more than one workspace. Some people can work in xesam while other people hack/discuss other topics. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
*** I'll try to organize a list of goals and tasks. We can use that to check the success of the hackfest. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?
*** At least blogging of the people there. Publicity in planet.gnome/planet.kde --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-30T12:20:09Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)
* Ben van Klinken (CLucene/NL) mailinglist
* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL) mailinglist
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean) mailinglist
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation mailinglist
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia) mailinglist
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA) mailinglist
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse) mailinglist
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay mailinglist
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark) mailinglist
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine) mailinglist
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany) mailinglist
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia) mailinglist

fabrice.colin was invited, is on mailinglist, but won't make it.

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Ben van Klinken (Haarlem/NL: any time)
* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)
* Ben Martin
* Kevin Ottens

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka
* Ben van Klinken
* Kevin Ottens

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken
* Jos van den Oever
* Ben Martin

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
*** Probably more than one workspace. Some people can work in xesam while other people hack/discuss other topics. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
*** I'll try to organize a list of goals and tasks. We can use that to check the success of the hackfest. --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?
*** At least blogging of the people there. Publicity in planet.gnome/planet.kde --[[User:ifrade|ifrade]] 13:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Anything else? Add it to the list.

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-07-30T10:33:02Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 16 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Peter Schneider ([[User:peterschneider|peterschneider]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|-
| 21:27
| Krischan Keitsch
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE 1090
|-
| 8:05
| [[User:bunanson|bunanson]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Wilson, North Carolina, USA
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|}

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-30T06:41:15Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)
* Ben van Klinken (CLucene/NL)
* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Ben van Klinken (Haarlem/NL: any time)
* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka
* Ben van Klinken

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken
* Jos van den Oever

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T19:54:07Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 23 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken
* Jos van den Oever

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T19:43:01Z

127.0.0.1: /* Thursday 18 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (via New york 15:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)
* Jos van den Oever (from Hengelo, arrive at 17.08)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T14:28:14Z

127.0.0.1: /* Monday 22 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (??? 18:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)
* Lukas Lipka

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T14:27:28Z

127.0.0.1: /* Thursday 18 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (??? 18:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)
* Lukas Lipka (Bratislava 18:00+)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T13:40:03Z

127.0.0.1: /* Thursday 18 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori (Helsinki 20:00+)
* Ivan Frade (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Philip van Hoof (Brussels/Eindhoven 18:00+)
* Martyn Russell (London 18:00+)
* Carlos Garnacho (Madrid 18:00+)
* Mikael Ottela (Helsinki 18:00+)
* Jamie McCracken (??? 18:00+)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T13:12:34Z

127.0.0.1: Added city and preferred time for arrival and departure

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Jamie McCracken
* Sebastian Pölsterl (from Munich, no preferred time)

=== Friday 19 ===
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Returning to Munich between 18:00 and 22:00)
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T12:58:57Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 23 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Jamie McCracken

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

* Jamie McCracken

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T12:57:05Z

127.0.0.1: /* Monday 22 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Jamie McCracken

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Returning to Washington Dulles)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T12:56:31Z

127.0.0.1: /* Friday 19 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Jamie McCracken

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (from SLC Int'l)

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Or Tues, Depending on Flights)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T12:51:25Z

127.0.0.1: /* Thursday 18 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Jamie McCracken

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Or Tues, Depending on Flights)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-07-29T11:32:14Z

127.0.0.1: /* Sunday 21 */

It is good to know when people are arriving and departing. You might want to coordinate with other participants. Also, the organization takes this list as a basis to request a group registration to http://www.osimworld.com - covered by Nokia.

Discuss your tips and offers at [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

== Arrival ==

=== Sunday 14 ===
Arrive early to tour Berlin or prepare for the conference before the chaos of two separate conferences.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:30
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8974
|}

=== Tuesday 16 ===
Recommended day for arrivals. Be in Berlin at this point or before if you want an invitation to OSiM World.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 08:05
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO096 from Newark, USA
|-
| 09:30
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH174 from Frankfurt a.M.
|-
| 11:35
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|rsuplido]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 11:35
| Niels Breet ([[User:xfade|xfade]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1823 from Amsterdam
|-
| 14:25
| Florian Boor ([[User:florian|florian]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight LH180 from Frankfurt/Main
|-
| 15:40
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]]), Alan Bruce ([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA984 from London
|-
| 15:45
| Quim Gil ([[User:qgil|qgil]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 15:45
| Marcell Lengyel ([[User:marcell|marcell]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8309 from Helsinki
|-
| 18:35
| Simon Budig ([[User:simon|simon]])
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0016 from Köln/Bonn
|-
| 20:10
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train ICE943 from Essen
|-
| 20:50
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6237 from Bristol
|}

=== Wednesday 17 ===
OSiM Day 1
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 09:10
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH248 from Dusseldorf
|}

=== Thursday 18 ===
OSiM Day 2
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of arrival
! Means of transport
|-
| 14:05
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0345 From Riga
|-
| 14:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 635 from Sofia
|-
| 16:30
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4580 From Pisa
|-
| 17:13
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 174
|-
| 19:00
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4574 From Naples (circa 80?)
|-
| 20:50
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6237 From Bristol
|-
| 21:30
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8546 from London Stansted
|}

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Hopefully everybody is having breakfast in Berlin.

== Departure ==

=== Friday 19 ===
Maemo Summit Day 1 - Don't leave! There will be a night party.

=== Saturday 20 ===
Maemo Summit Day 2 - Sure? Still many sessions ongoing.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 16:38
| Andrew Flegg ([[User:jaffa|Jaffa]])
| Berlin Hbf
| Train IC140 to Apeldoorn
|-
| 19:25
| Kamen Bundev ([[User:bundyo|bundyo]])
| Dortmund
| Flight W6 636 to Sofia
|-
| 21:15
| Simon Pickering ([[User:lardman|lardman]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight Easyjet 6238 to Bristol
|-
| 21:55
| Lucas Maneos
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight FR8547 to London Stansted
|}

=== Sunday 21 ===
Recommended day for departures.
{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departure
! Means of transport
|-
| 07:20
| Stephen Gadsby ([[User:sjgadsby|sjgadsby]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA981 to London
|-
| 08:15
| Marius Gedminas ([[User:mgedmin|mgedmin]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BT 0216 to Vilnius
|-
| 09:35
| [[User:rm_you | Adam Harwell]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Continental Airlines CO097 to Newark, USA
|-
| 10:20
| [[User:xfade | Niels Breet]]
| Berlin Tegel
| KLM KL1822 to Amsterdam
|-
| 10:25
| [[User:Timsamoff | Tim Samoff]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH181 to Frankfurt
|-
| 10:46
| [[User:jbenc|Jiri Benc]]
| Berlin Hbf
| Train EC 175
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:qgil | Quim Gil]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 12:05
| [[User:marcell | Marcell Lengyel]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Air Berlin 8308 to Helsinki
|-
| 13:05
| [[User:rsperberg | Roger Sperberg]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Lufthansa LH223 to Munich
|-
| 14:35
| Alan Bruce([[User:qole|qole]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight BA993 to London
|-
| 15:15
| [[User:gnuite|John Costigan]]
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight UA 8991
|-
| 15:30
| [[User:simon|Simon Budig]]
| Berlin Schönefeld
| Flight Germanwings 4U 0017 to Köln/Bonn
|-
| 21:30
| Jamie Bennett ([[User:baloo|Baloo]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 6238 to Bristol
|}

=== Monday 22 ===
Just in case.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
! Time
! Name
! Place of departue
! Means of transport
|-
| 12:10
| Andrea Grandi ([[User:andy80|andy80]])
| Berlin Schoenefeld
| Flight EasyJet 4579 to Pisa
|-
| 12:25
| Reggie Suplido ([[User:rsuplido|Reggie]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight KL1824 to Amsterdam
|-
| 06:15
| Aniello Del Sorbo ([[User:anidel|anidel]])
| Berlin Tegel
| Flight Air Berlin 8430 To Naples via Milan (circa 100?)
|}

Maemo Summit 2008/Travel

2008-07-29T11:30:41Z

127.0.0.1: /* Tuesday 16 */

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T09:47:37Z

127.0.0.1: /* Thursday 18 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Or Tues, Depending on Flights)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-29T09:47:16Z

127.0.0.1: /* Friday 19 */

See also the [[Talk:Desktop_Search_Hackfest|discussion]] page.

= Event description =

[COMPLETE]

Hackfest around the Desktop Search and Metadata handling topic. Currently there are many partial solutions to the problem, so a hackfest could help to share some code, define lines to the projects and steal the good points of other projects :P

== Proposed dates ==

* After [[Maemo Summit 2008]] (September 19-20th + weekend)
* In Berlin

= Participants =
* Name (Project / Location)

* Jos van den Oever (Strigi/NL)
* Jamie McCracken (Tracker/Turks&Caicos,Carribean)
* Sebastian Trueg (Nepomuk/Germany) self covered trip + own accomondation
* Lukas Lipka (Beagle-Dashboard/Slovakia)
* Kevin Kubasik (Beagle/USA)
* Kevin Ottens (KDE Plasma search / France/Toulouse)
* Jerry Tan (Tracker)
* Martyn Russel (Tracker/UK) covered trip + stay
* Carlos Garnacho (Tracker/Spain) covered trip + stay
* Philip van Hoof (Tracker/Belgium) covered trip + stay
* Urho Konttori (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Ivan Frade (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikael Ottela (Tracker/Finland) covered trip + stay
* Mikkel Kamstrup (Xesam/Denmark)
* Evgeny Egorochkin (Xesam/Ukraine)
* Sebastian Pölsterl (Deskbar-Applet/Germany)
* Ben Martin (libferris/Australia)

== Expected Arrivals ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''
=== Thursday 18 ===
'''Preferred day for arrivals, this way you have the whole Friday for warming up and attend the Maemo Summit.'''

* Your name here

=== Friday 19 ===
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik

=== Saturday 20 ===

== Expected Departures ==
'''VERY IMPORTANT - NEEDED FOR FINDING ACCOMMODATION'''

=== Sunday 21 ===

=== Monday 22 ===
* Urho Konttori
* Ivan Frade
* Philip van Hoof
* Martyn Russell
* Carlos Garnacho
* Mikael Ottela
* Sebastian Pölsterl
* Kevin Kubasik (Or Tues, Depending on Flights)

=== Tuesday 23 ===
'''Monday night is the last one covered by the Hackfest sponsorship. Feel free staying until Tuesday making the most of your trip.'''

= Proposed items to work =

== Concrete Coding Tasks ==
* Xesam integration in file chooser and Nautilus. Possibly use xesam-glib

* Create language bindings for xesam-glib (specifically Vala, C#, and Python) for xesam-glib and use these achieve

** a deskbar module
** a Gnome Do add-in
** Gnome launch box extension

* Create/draft a xesam-gtk library with widgets empowered by xesam-glib

* Create a small server that exposes the Xesam search engine over Avahi (probably over http). This is correlated with the second point under BOFs.

* Create a common metadata test corpus

* Create a common metadata unit test suite for the most common file types

** Improve current extractors (all engines). Prepare a huge database of creative commons contents with a lot of metadata, including corrupted files before the hack meeting. Prepare an automated script to check if we are extracting the interesting information from the files (showing information like "extraced the expected information in 90% of the mp3, incomplete information in 9%, crashed in 1% of them"). We can even organize a small competition with a modest prize.

* Time ordering / searching optimized model for tracker

* Category optimized database model for tracker
=== Beagle Coding Task Ideas ===
* Beagle-Xeasm work, we will have almost everyone involved in this spec available too us, so lets work on getting our compatibility 100%
** Gnome-Do plugin. I want a solid beagle plugin for Gnome-Do, should be a super-quick codeup (Preferably over xesam!)
* Dashboard. I have a million and one ideas working for this, but the core of it would hopefully be getting some unified means of generating clue packets/context. I am thinking that utilizing screenreader api's to get working windows/text could be very helpful here.
** Work towards functional/usable/stable UI. Maybe even alpha demo?
* Beagle Client Optimization. We still do the whole XML serializing and deserializing thing... Look into Dbus/Protocol Buffers to increase performance
** This could increase the beagle-xesam performance considerably, and has the potential to fix Dashboard bottlenecks as well.

== BOF Sessions ==
* There are several metadata-heavy technologies emerging. Soylent, People, Online Desktop/Desktop Data Model, Xesam, and others. Can we somehow work more together? They all appear to take slightly different approaches.

* How to share metadata between engines when it's not stored in the file itself (say... tags)

* How to share extractors between the engines. (How many code to read id3 is out there?)

* A shared way to harvest metadata and register metadata extractors or sources. This is also relevant for Xesam.

* Dashboard? Why has the idea that everybody loved never landed on consumer desktops? How can we make it real. What technical solutions do we need in place?

* While it is pretty hype to talk about desktop search and even write lots of code for it, why is it not more integrated in the desktop than it is? A big reason is of course the quality of the search engine. I can think of a lot of other reasons though (feel the teaser!).

* Xesam over alternative protocols. Keywords: http/REST, Avahi, Bluetooth, XMLRPC, Soap, Plain ol' socket.

* How can we integrate pervasive searching capabilities in the current Gnome desktop (ie. without changing the desktop interaction model)

* How can we create a whole new user interface based on metadata and instant searches. Ie possibly breaking totally with the standard interaction model of the desktop. One possible starting point:

** "do-what-I-think-desktop" The basic premise is "the user should not need to even touch the computer. It should just do the expected/desired in all circumstances without user interaction". Then see how far we can go with statistical analysis of historic user actions and rich metadata - and then accept that we can not achieve the end goal, but still get as close as possible.

* Discuss the Xesam Metadata Storage spec. It is slated to be included in the post 1.0 release of Xesam, but there is very little concrete written down or agreed upon. This can seriously use a lot of discussion. It has ramifications into Soylent and desktop-data-model as well, probably others too.

* Gnome and Nepomuk? Hitherto Gnome and Nepomuk has not really been related at all. Even though Xesam and Nepomuk has its disagreements we are also trying to collaborate. Should Gnome do more, what steps would be necessary to utilize Nepomuk technologies in Gnome?

* Semantic Gnome?

* Smarter Searching in Gnome: Keyword matching is cool, but user data is becoming more and more massive, Terabyte desktops are not unheard of. Thousands of e-mails and documents need a better ranking system.

== Meta ==
* It would be great to have RC3 of the Xesam Search spec ready at least a week or two ahead of this. It is likely to contain some (minor) API-breaks. Probably an updated xesam-glib to go with it too.

* Given an updated Xesam spec it would be great to have all servers updated to the latest spec and have easy-to-set-up trunks or branches. The point is that a hack fest should not be spent with everybody trying to set up a privately circulated branch of MyGreatSearchEngine.

= Organization ToDo =
Steps we need to make in order to bring this forward.

* Coordination team
** A list of people easy to CC and decide fast on pure organizational stuff e.g. money, people, places. Proposal: Urho Konttori (link with Maemo Summit organization), Vincent Untz (GNOME Foundation), Xesam rep, Tracker rep & Beagle rep. Ideally a local rep too but let's not wait for this to start moving forward.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define dates
** Proposal: September 19 & 20 WarmUp, people can attend to the Maemo Summit and start the discussions e.g. at a project level. 21 & 22 Official Desktop Search Hackfest. Some might want to have an After Hours (?).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Define people
** I need the list of people to be sponsored asap to arrange travel and know for sure what is needed for accommodation.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Infrastructure required
** One workspace room with wlan. Anything else? For instance, a projector or not? --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
* Program
** Flexible of course, but good to have confirmed in advanced a mission, achievable and specific objectives and a reference schedule.
* Marketing & press
** The World needs to know, before and after! How?

Anything else? Add it to the list.

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-28T12:39:07Z

127.0.0.1: Added comment that A2DP should be easily demonstrable

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I've see that there is a session about maemo packaging for extras, so i would talk of a tool recently available nammed py2deb, that enable onboard developper to make debian source package directly on a NIT that can be builded by autobuilder, but i m not sure yet i can come, so maybe someone else is interesting by this tool and maybe present it for me. As i use this tool for mcalendar,home widget, and other things, i think other onboard dev could be interested.-[[User:khertan|khertan]] 10:17, 28 July 2008 (GMT+2)

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.
::If we get more lightning sessions we can have another round, although better on Saturday. They are good to break the routine.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.
: Sounds good, I will rewrite the schedule in the next day or so to try and rebalance everything [[User:brontide|brontide]] 16:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* '''Building a Business on Maemo:''' At [http://frogmetrics.com Frogmetrics] we're building a real time customer feedback system on the Maemo platform. Come participate in a discussion about using tablets and the Maemo platform to build sustainable products and profitable businesses. [[User:dob|Doug Petkanics]]

=== Mini Exhibit ===
''This is getting big - please organize this at [[Maemo Summit 2008/Exhibit]]. As I see it, if we do it then it is better to have it both in OSiM and Summit for double impact. See also the comments at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM]]''.

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas: ( cleanup by [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] lets concentrate on community items )

I would like to see a handful of units out with a selection of [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Born_for_Maemo|"Born for Maemo"]] loaded on each as well as a number of non-conflicting [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Outstanding_utilities|Outstanding Utilities]]. Below are the items that I believe would be booth and OSiM friendly. The nice thing about this list is that we can consume any number of units with this same software and rotate what's being demo'ed easily. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

* Canola2
* Carman
* Maemo Mapper
* Maeno WordPy
* WorldTV99
* Numpty Physics
* OMWeather
* Personal Menu
* Personal Launcher
* Advanced Backlight
* USB Control
* Rotation support
* Quiver
* Large Statusbar clock
* MPlayer / mediaserv / tablet-encode (the entire video playback pipeline) - rm_you volunteer
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running VNC
: Client or server? I think I would want to load vnc server on many of the units to allow for us to "demo" on a monitor. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* A2DP? - Is this ready to be demo'ed at OSiM?
: Shouldn't be a problem with demo'ing either ARM or DSP version, might be worth bringing some 3.5mm speakers to plug into a headset so more than one person can head the output -[[User:lardman|lardman]] 13:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC+1)

Nice to show, if we have enough demo units:

* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. Why not asking them? Mike Jennings will come to OSiM, perhaps contacting in advance would a nice gesture. To avoid confusion, it should be clear that this is a move from maemo.org - the Maemo community and nothing Nokia official (this will be clear in the stand, if only by seeing a big maemo.org logo and many tablets with no-Maemo and non-Nokia 3rd party apps inside).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Sounds good. I think one unit with Andriod would be great assuming we have enough units, but I would say it's low priority. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM

Ideas that I don't think will work well: ( maybe at the summit )

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
:The puppies are getting a bit old... I can ask the developers if you really want them there, though.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian, KDE
:While interesting to hackers, I don't know how much of a splash they would make at OSiM. If we do a summit table then I think it would be great there. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need
* '''SIGNUP HERE, WE STILL NEED MANY MORE'''

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "badge". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

== Introduction to Maemo hacking? ==

Keywan says in maemo-developers: "are there plans for a workshop or introduction for newcomers in the development for Maemo? What do you think about this idea? Is there anybody who would like to do this as a "speaker"? And are there other potential participants like me?
:Good idea, the question being: when? What is the right duration for this workshop and where could it fit in the agenda. One idea would be to have it on 2-3h on Saturday while the rest of running sessions are really hardcore developer or community wise.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 07:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-28T06:22:58Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-28T04:53:05Z

127.0.0.1: /* Community */

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.
::If we get more lightning sessions we can have another round, although better on Saturday. They are good to break the routine.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.
: Sounds good, I will rewrite the schedule in the next day or so to try and rebalance everything [[User:brontide|brontide]] 16:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* '''Building a Business on Maemo:''' At [http://frogmetrics.com Frogmetrics] we're building a real time customer feedback system on the Maemo platform. Come participate in a discussion about using tablets and the Maemo platform to build sustainable products and profitable businesses. [[User:dob|Doug Petkanics]]

=== Mini Exhibit ===
''This is getting big - please organize this at [[Maemo Summit 2008/Exhibit]]. As I see it, if we do it then it is better to have it both in OSiM and Summit for double impact. See also the comments at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#OSiM]]''.

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas: ( cleanup by [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] lets concentrate on community items )

I would like to see a handful of units out with a selection of [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Born_for_Maemo|"Born for Maemo"]] loaded on each as well as a number of non-conflicting [[Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Outstanding_utilities|Outstanding Utilities]]. Below are the items that I believe would be booth and OSiM friendly. The nice thing about this list is that we can consume any number of units with this same software and rotate what's being demo'ed easily. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

* Canola2
* Carman
* Maemo Mapper
* Maeno WordPy
* WorldTV99
* Numpty Physics
* OMWeather
* Personal Menu
* Personal Launcher
* Advanced Backlight
* USB Control
* Rotation support
* Quiver
* Large Statusbar clock
* MPlayer / mediaserv / tablet-encode (the entire video playback pipeline) - rm_you volunteer
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running VNC
: Client or server? I think I would want to load vnc server on many of the units to allow for us to "demo" on a monitor. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* A2DP? - Is this ready to be demo'ed at OSiM?

Nice to show, if we have enough demo units:

* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know. Why not asking them? Mike Jennings will come to OSiM, perhaps contacting in advance would a nice gesture. To avoid confusion, it should be clear that this is a move from maemo.org - the Maemo community and nothing Nokia official (this will be clear in the stand, if only by seeing a big maemo.org logo and many tablets with no-Maemo and non-Nokia 3rd party apps inside).--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Sounds good. I think one unit with Andriod would be great assuming we have enough units, but I would say it's low priority. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM

Ideas that I don't think will work well: ( maybe at the summit )

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
:The puppies are getting a bit old... I can ask the developers if you really want them there, though.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian, KDE
:While interesting to hackers, I don't know how much of a splash they would make at OSiM. If we do a summit table then I think it would be great there. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need
* '''SIGNUP HERE, WE STILL NEED MANY MORE'''

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "badge". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-26T12:31:53Z

127.0.0.1: /* Signup */

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I want to propose a BoF about the new process for Diablo Extras. (Autobuilder, Promotion, Assistant) --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 08:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:These look like good topics for the Saturday morning track on packaging and publishing. Please help defining the content of that track.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 21:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Have all of these been scheduled yet or do you need more time? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Mamona doesn't seem to have gone through this page, but putting X-Fade's talk about the future of the auto-builder, and my talk about mud on at the same time seems counter-intuitive, given they're on the same track. Will mamona's talk need the space of all 3 rooms? Is it a keynote? Might make sense to free up one of the rooms so that X-Fade and I can follow on from each other. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
: How much time will you need for mud? I've started tracking things out a little into community and programming to see how things line up. I would like to see the important programming topic non-overlapping [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Eric, I really like what you are doing. Coolness. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: I can probably fill as much time as I'm given. I've only a vague idea of what it'll contain at the moment, so fixing the time period is probably better than me trying to fix the content :-) --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:I believe that whoever put Mamona in the table simply didn't want to fight with table cells in MediaWiki format. It should be one session in one track imo. Thanks brontide for taking the drive!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, cool. Ditto the thanks to brontide! --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Actually, when I created the tables, I added the track to it [https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Summit_2008&diff=4818&oldid=4803|as it was described] in the original schedule (check ut the 10a slot in the original version). In any case, I figured this would be sorted out in due time. ;) --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.

=== Mini Exhibit ===

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas:

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ noBounds Project]
: Do we have access to a unit? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian
* Running KDE
* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM
* Running VNC
* Running Carman
* Other [http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Remarkable Community Projects]
* WorldTV99 - bunanson + koos volunteer
* MPlayer / mediaserv / tablet-encode (the entire video playback pipeline) - rm_you volunteer

I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "bagde". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-26T12:14:21Z

127.0.0.1: /* Mini Exhibit */

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I want to propose a BoF about the new process for Diablo Extras. (Autobuilder, Promotion, Assistant) --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 08:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:These look like good topics for the Saturday morning track on packaging and publishing. Please help defining the content of that track.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 21:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Have all of these been scheduled yet or do you need more time? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Mamona doesn't seem to have gone through this page, but putting X-Fade's talk about the future of the auto-builder, and my talk about mud on at the same time seems counter-intuitive, given they're on the same track. Will mamona's talk need the space of all 3 rooms? Is it a keynote? Might make sense to free up one of the rooms so that X-Fade and I can follow on from each other. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
: How much time will you need for mud? I've started tracking things out a little into community and programming to see how things line up. I would like to see the important programming topic non-overlapping [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Eric, I really like what you are doing. Coolness. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: I can probably fill as much time as I'm given. I've only a vague idea of what it'll contain at the moment, so fixing the time period is probably better than me trying to fix the content :-) --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:I believe that whoever put Mamona in the table simply didn't want to fight with table cells in MediaWiki format. It should be one session in one track imo. Thanks brontide for taking the drive!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, cool. Ditto the thanks to brontide! --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Actually, when I created the tables, I added the track to it [https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Summit_2008&diff=4818&oldid=4803|as it was described] in the original schedule (check ut the 10a slot in the original version). In any case, I figured this would be sorted out in due time. ;) --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.

=== Mini Exhibit ===

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas:

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ noBounds Project]
: Do we have access to a unit? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian
* Running KDE
* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM
* Running VNC
* Running Carman
* Other [http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Remarkable Community Projects]
* WorldTV99 - bunanson + koos volunteer
* MPlayer / mediaserv / tablet-encode (the entire video playback pipeline) - rm_you volunteer

I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need (thinking about demoing video playback / mediaserv)

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "bagde". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-26T11:39:40Z

127.0.0.1: /* Mini Exhibit */

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I want to propose a BoF about the new process for Diablo Extras. (Autobuilder, Promotion, Assistant) --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 08:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:These look like good topics for the Saturday morning track on packaging and publishing. Please help defining the content of that track.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 21:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Have all of these been scheduled yet or do you need more time? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Mamona doesn't seem to have gone through this page, but putting X-Fade's talk about the future of the auto-builder, and my talk about mud on at the same time seems counter-intuitive, given they're on the same track. Will mamona's talk need the space of all 3 rooms? Is it a keynote? Might make sense to free up one of the rooms so that X-Fade and I can follow on from each other. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
: How much time will you need for mud? I've started tracking things out a little into community and programming to see how things line up. I would like to see the important programming topic non-overlapping [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Eric, I really like what you are doing. Coolness. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: I can probably fill as much time as I'm given. I've only a vague idea of what it'll contain at the moment, so fixing the time period is probably better than me trying to fix the content :-) --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:I believe that whoever put Mamona in the table simply didn't want to fight with table cells in MediaWiki format. It should be one session in one track imo. Thanks brontide for taking the drive!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, cool. Ditto the thanks to brontide! --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Actually, when I created the tables, I added the track to it [https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Summit_2008&diff=4818&oldid=4803|as it was described] in the original schedule (check ut the 10a slot in the original version). In any case, I figured this would be sorted out in due time. ;) --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.

=== Mini Exhibit ===

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas:

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ noBounds Project]
: Do we have access to a unit? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian
* Running KDE
* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM
* Running VNC
* Running Carman
* Other [http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Remarkable Community Projects]
* WorldTV99 - bunanson + koos volunteer
* MPlayer / mediaserv / tablet-encode (the entire video playback pipeline)

I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I have my own laptop and N800 that can be used for the video pipeline demos, but it would be nice to show them on an N810 and not have to use my own hardware for demos if possible. -- [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] 04:39, 26 July 2008 (PST)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need (thinking about demoing video playback / mediaserv)

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "bagde". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

Talk:Maemo Summit 2008

2008-07-26T11:35:51Z

127.0.0.1: /* Signup */

==Program==

=== Help with the program ===

I'm happy having the role of benevolent dictator for the schedule on Friday 19: I organize the sessions submitted and if someone finds a bug or an improvement just complain and we'll find a solution. However, I really don't want to organize the sessions on Saturday 20, which is purely a maemo.org community day. Can you please find either another dictator or a system to get that sorted out yourselves? I'm asking for a coordinator at [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program]]. Thanks!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, could someone draw nice tables for the schedules? I want to do this since.. but there is always something else taking the time. In principle each day needs a table with 3 columns (3 tracks), being some sessions single cells spanning through the whole row (no tracks, just one session at a time, or breaks). Appreciated. --[[User:qgil|qgil]] 09:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Saturday Coordinator ~ [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]]''' Feel free to contact me directly or put your ideas here. I will distill them and be the buffer for Nokia that day. [[User:brontide|brontide]] 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Lightning sessions ===

These are really brief sessions of 5 minutes approx i.e. demos. You can propose your own session listing it directly in the schedule '''once you have confirmed your trip to Berlin'''. If we get many proposals we will have a second round of lightning sessions on Saturday. Lightning sessions are cool!

We are open to submissions in the form of decent quality videos, to be shown to the audience and uploaded in maemo.org as part of the video materials of the Summit.

* I'd like to present Intranet search (extended desktop search) from maemo with libferris (http://www.libferris.com/). This would be a quick overview of what is available now and where I'm heading with it. -- [https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Monkeyiq Monkeyiq] July 19.
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* We would like to demonstrate and talk about WorldTV99 (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/) [bunanson and koos Vriezen] 09.16 16 July 2008 (BST).
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I don't know if 5 minutes would be enough, but I would like to talk about Rich UIs and the importance of being different and showing the potential of the platform to "Transform" itself in different products, focused in one main use: like our projects: Canola (media player) Carman (onboard computer + car media) and others like remote controls, etc. The real goal is to show why is really needed that some applications "break" the rules and extend the experience showing the power of openness. (this can be a full talk if of interest)
:20 seconds are enough for a great ad, 3:30 are enough for a great videoclip and 5:00 are enough for a great lightning session. :) Find a title and... a name for yourself (are you Marcelo?) Then on Saturday you could organize a full session.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I would like to present Illumination, an alternative GUI library, which is used by my applications. 5 minutes is a start (I'm a fast speaker ;-)), but around 20 minutes would be better. Take 5 minutes on friday or can I get 20 minutes on saturday? I could also speak a little bit of my problems porting a non-Gtk based GUI library (togetehr with some hints towards existing APIs). What about that (5 minutes would be not enough again I fear)?--[[User:framstag|framstag]] 15:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:Now you can list it yourself.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
* I ([[user:barbieri| Gustavo Barbieri]]) got delayed due some personal problems and will just arrive in Berlin/Tegel by 2:10pm of 19th, after the lightning talks are over, may I remove my entry or someone else (qgil?) has to do it?
: Go ahead and remove it yourself. Can you move your session to anywhere else in the schedule? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 13:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Qgil maybe another 30 minute lightning session right before we end for the day? ( assuming we have the interest from others to present ) [[User:brontide|brontide]] 13:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: timsamoff: brontide just did that for me. As for presenting later, of course I can, let's see if we can get another lightning sessions.

=== BoFs and workshops ===

List below your proposals for activities. They are thought to be highly participative i.e. discussion about an area of the platform, workshops, etc. '''[[User:brontide|I]] have promoted many proposals onto the main page. If you need longer than a half an hour slot then [[User:brontide|let me know]].

* I want to propose a BoF about the new process for Diablo Extras. (Autobuilder, Promotion, Assistant) --[[User:xfade|xfade]] 08:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:These look like good topics for the Saturday morning track on packaging and publishing. Please help defining the content of that track.--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 21:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Have all of these been scheduled yet or do you need more time? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* I'd love to see some sort of break-out brainstorming session or round table discussing current status / future desires for the Maemo platform as a whole. I think this crowd would offer much wisdom to the official team. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:Unsure whether this would fit better on Friday or Saturday...--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:: What about a single session during the 17:00 slot on Saturday -- a sort of , wrap-up for everyone to come back together and offer opinions? --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 15:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds good!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:::: I think we should combine a few of these forward looking talks into something more cogent [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

* I would like to make a case for embedded (on-tablet) web apps for easy creation of mobile applications for Maemo. With a little bit of python advocacy, a spotlight on the up-and-coming web2py framework, and an example with a little utilitarian app I made and use on my tablet. This is more than a lightning talk but certainly less than an hour - more like 15-20 mins ? --[[User:fredp|fpp]]
: Think of time for questions/comments as well -- if a presentation is 20-min, it could extend to 45-min with others' input. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Fred, do you have a reservation? are you coming? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Mamona doesn't seem to have gone through this page, but putting X-Fade's talk about the future of the auto-builder, and my talk about mud on at the same time seems counter-intuitive, given they're on the same track. Will mamona's talk need the space of all 3 rooms? Is it a keynote? Might make sense to free up one of the rooms so that X-Fade and I can follow on from each other. --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
: How much time will you need for mud? I've started tracking things out a little into community and programming to see how things line up. I would like to see the important programming topic non-overlapping [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Eric, I really like what you are doing. Coolness. --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 02:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: I can probably fill as much time as I'm given. I've only a vague idea of what it'll contain at the moment, so fixing the time period is probably better than me trying to fix the content :-) --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:I believe that whoever put Mamona in the table simply didn't want to fight with table cells in MediaWiki format. It should be one session in one track imo. Thanks brontide for taking the drive!--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 08:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Ah, cool. Ditto the thanks to brontide! --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 08:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::: Actually, when I created the tables, I added the track to it [https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Summit_2008&diff=4818&oldid=4803|as it was described] in the original schedule (check ut the 10a slot in the original version). In any case, I figured this would be sorted out in due time. ;) --[[User:timsamoff|timsamoff]] 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[User:gnuite|gnuite]] would like to present in a BoF session an idea for software that provides vector-based map data to Maemo Mapper without compromising the existing raster-based design of Maemo Mapper. The presented design will offer a completely modular solution that should require no changes to Maemo Mapper at all. The software will utilize OpenStreetMap's free vector-based map data to provide both street visualization and routing instructions without an internet connection. The presentation will serve as a means for soliciting help from developers interested in the project, since it is likely not a one-man operation.

=== Mini Exhibit ===

Anyone want to be in charge on having a mini exhibit -- maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth as well as at the Maemo Summit? Someone can contact, coordinate, and round-up remarkable apps, hacks, and interfaces and help set them up so enthusiasts and guests can see and play with them. The objective here is to show what the Internet Tablet is capable of doing.

Here are some ideas:

* [http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 Haptic Technology]
: I think we should keep it to things we will have access to [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ noBounds Project]
: Do we have access to a unit? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://symbianwebblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/puppy-robot-controlled-by-nokia-internet-tablet/ Puppy Robot]
* Connecting a Hard Drive ([http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/06/nokia-n800-n810-how-to-attach-hdd-aka.html link 1], [http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22187 link 2]) - volunteer [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Debian
* Running KDE
* Running Android
: I know we can, but is there legal issues here if maemo.org does it? [[User:brontide|brontide]] 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
* Running Garnet VM
* Running VNC
* Running Carman
* Other [http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Remarkable Community Projects]
* WorldTV99 - bunanson + koos volunteer
I'm more than willing to demonstrate things at both OSiM and the summit if the hardware can be organised (I have an n800 I can bring a long). -- [[User:baloo|baloo]] 19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

==== Signup ====

If this is to be a reality we have to have at least 24 hours of coverage ( guestimate ) 6hours x2 days x2 people. Signup below and then we will talk about what is realistic in terms of Demo's/Units.

* [[User:brontide|Eric Warnke]] - 2 hours
* [[User:Timsamoff|Tim Samoff]] - 2 hours
* [[User:bunanson|bunanson]] - 4 hours ( Connect HD and WorldTV99 )
* [[User:qole|Alan Bruce]] - whatever you need ;)
* [[User:rm_you|Adam Harwell]] - whatever you need (thinking about demoing video playback / mediaserv)

I can help to man 2 dem stations, Connect HD and WorldTV99, side by side for 3 - 6 hrs; and I am also giving sessions on Friday. I need "hardware" support. If I am drafted, who is my contact man? ---[[User:bunanson|bunanson]] I think I would request at least two of each, preferably three, N800 and N810, for a total of 4 (or 6) with ALL the accessories, USB cables, AC adapters etc.
: You are a volunteer. If you are demo-ing these projects what hardware support do you need? I will try and make one request to Nokia once we have enough coverage to make the booth possible [[User:brontide|brontide]] 02:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Travel ==
Moved to [[Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel]].

==Accommodation==
Moved to [[Maemo Summit 2008/Accommodation]].

== Recording the Event ==
See [[Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage]] and post your comments / offers for help there.

== Advertising ==

I've submitted the event to the [http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2008-09/ LWN Event Calendar]. Is there any other wider advertising we can do? --[[User:jaffa|Jaffa]] 11:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Community ==

I've got some ideas to allow people attending at Maemo Summit to communicate better. If you have any other idea, please write/discuss here. --[[User:andy80|Andrea Grandi]] 10:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

* Prepare a sort of "bagde". A simple card with these informations:
** Name (nickname)
** What we do in our life (Developer/Student/Blogger/ecc...)
** Spoken languages: we could print a flag for each language we speak

* Prepare a custom Google map with all the hot points in Berlin: c-base, OSiM, all hotels we booked ecc...

* Create POI's for these place to use on Map software in our tablets

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-25T17:16:36Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

User talk:Feri

2008-07-25T14:10:17Z

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dd
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== Test ==

testing testing--[[User:qgil|qgil]] 13:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

deleteNewtalk is never called? this might be the reason why we see the orange banner. -- [[User:feri|feri]] 13:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

testing -- [[Special:Contributions/127.0.0.1|127.0.0.1]] 14:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Desktop Search Hackfest

2008-07-25T06:52:45Z

127.0.0.1: /* Participants */

Task:Remarkable community projects

2008-07-25T05:14:59Z

127.0.0.1: /* Outstanding utilities */

{{Template:100Days agenda}}
{{task|accepted}}

''This is a subtask of [[Task:Defining maemo]] and is looking for volunteers''

There are hundreds of community projects around Maemo, but some are especially remarkable, providing a unique contribution to the project.

Getting a list of these projects would help to
* Improve their quality and promote them as ''ready to primetime''.
* Highlight to externals some of the amazing stuff the Maemo platform can offer.
* Bring attention, testing, contributions, new users to them.
* Indicate to Nokia what is really worth promoting in their Maemo related activities.
* Cheer up the ego of promoters and contributors. :)

==Criteria==
Propose criteria to select projects.
* '''Alive''': Maintained regularly and available in the last stable release.
* '''Open''': community feedback and contributions are part of the project - open source is a very good factor but not a must.
* '''Stable''': feature set complete, installs flawlessly, works, doesn't harm the system, secure.
* '''Finger/thumb UI''': stylus to be required only in exceptional and evident cases (e.g. drawing apps).
* '''Decent design''': visually attractive and/or simple interface that works just as expected.
* '''maemo.org active''': available in extras, complete information page in Downloads.
* '''Non commercial''': Not developed by Nokia or commercial partners.

==New Proposals==
List your proposals below. Add your comments supporting/against. Provide links to their pages at http://maemo.org/downloads to get more information, see screenshots and try them out.
* List your proposal here.

==Candidates==
'''Please do not list new proposals directly here'''. These are projects that accomplish most of the criteria above. They be available in the Maemo 4.1 extras repository and offer a Download page in maemo.org. Add you comment if you think any of these candidates is not fit enough for the top selection, or belong to a different category.

===Born for Maemo===
Remarkable projects targetting primarily the Maemo platform.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/canola2/ Canola2]: Canola is a media consumer: photos, music, videos...local or remote, you name it.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper Maemo Mapper]: Most downloaded application for Maemo. Best map application. Can interact with lots of different mapping sites, including OpenStreetmap.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-wordpy Maemo WordPy]: Blogging software that hooks to WordPress and Blogger accounts, allows image uploads, post creating and editing, tagging. Especially notable for its finger-friendly menu.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mediabox/ MediaBox]: A nice, simple UI for viewing photos and movies. Not as 'bare-bones' as Mplayer, not as 'tricked-out' as Canola2.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mytube/ mYTube] : An youtube browsing/downloading/playing application.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/numptyphysics Numpty Physics]: This game is educational, hard, fun. Made for the stylus.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume Vagalume]: Last.fm is my favourite music site, and Vagalume is my favourite Last.fm client.

===Very nice ports===
Remarkable projects successfully ported to Maemo.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/labyrinth Labyrinth] : An idea-mapping tool with a lot of potential.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ MPlayer]: Simple UI, provides the best playback performance for mpeg4/divx/xvid video on Nokia 770/N8x0.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pidgin Pidgin for Maemo] : Instant messaging application, ported from the desktop.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/ ScummVM] : program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ Evince] : Evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, tiff and dvi.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ines/ iNES], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fmsx/ fMSX], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/colem/ ColEm], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/speccy/ Speccy], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/ VGBA] - all fms's emulators - great ports of his original ones.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal Xournal] : A great notes/sketch utility. One of ''few'' apps that utilize the pressure sensitivity of the screen! Invaluable to create and annotate PDF documents on a pocket computer.

===Outstanding utilities===
Remarkable projects successful in a focused mission.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Advanced Backlight] : Replaces the default Volume and Brightness applets with a unified applet that also provides rotation orientation selection.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/erminig Erminig] : Allows a two-way sync between Google Calendars and the GPE calendar on the N810.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ Load Applet]: Because being able to see when/why the system becomes slow makes a huge difference in user experience.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/statusbarclock/ Large StatusBar Clock]: A configurable digital clock for the statusbar.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemopadplus MaemoPad+] : Tree-based notes and sketching application
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-recorder Maemo Recorder] : Turn your N8X0 into a dictaphone. Very useful.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mirage/ Mirage]: Opens many file formats; allows for simple photo editing on the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mogg/ mogg]: Although not as ideal a solution as DSP-side decoding, the best we've got at the moment.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/omweather/ OMWeather]: Critical app. When this didn't work for a whole day after the Diablo release, I had to look outside!
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/phonelink PhoneLink]: Send SMS or dial a number using GPE or built-in (EDS) Contacts and a bluetooth-enable mobile phone.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ Personal Menu]: Sidebar plugin, customizable menu for launching up to 36 installed applications or arbitrary commands.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/ Quiver]: Simple UI is fast and flexible. Does one thing--displays photos--well.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ USB Control]: Take advantage of USB keyboards & drives (drives require a separate power source) w/Nokia cable & adapter.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/ WorldTV99]: TVs around the world on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee

==Ruled Out==
These can be brought back to the Proposals once they meet the criteria.

===Not in maemo.org extras===
Appear in good condition to the user (e.g. beta/stable, page in Downloads, one-click install...) but are out of the maemo.org extras game.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Claws Mail]: The only full-featured mail program for the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader FBReader] : The best free e-book reader.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mauku/ Mauku]: Jaiku client designed explicitly for Maemo, and makes good use of the UI including finger / stylus / kinetic gestures.

===Not available in Downloads===
Being consistent, the most remarkable applications for Maemo need to be available in http://maemo.org/downloads
*Abiword : Abiword's another desktop application which has a really nice port to maemo. A document editor which is very powerful and lightweight.
*Dates & Contacts : Both part of the Pimlico suite of applications, these allow me to use the N810 as a personal calendar and address book, with desktop synchronisation to boot.
*Gnumeric : Gnumeric is a great spreadsheet application, and the maemo port has been very nicely done.
*GPE Suite : Calendar, Contacts and To-Do List are quite useful. Use Erminig to sync Calendar with Google Calendars.
*GrandCentral Dialer : A simple GUI that interfaces with GrandCentral. Dialer + Gizmo can be used for virtually free calling to and from regular phones.
*Gourmet Recipe Manager : A neat way to plan meals.
*MLB Viewer : For baseball fans, simple UI, subscription to mlb.com required for video, audio is 'free'.
*[http://notecase.sourceforge.net/index.html NoteCase] : a full featured hierarchical note manager
*VCURLs72 : Major US TV channels on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee
*XChat : IRC on your tablet. Nice port.

===Still Alpha===
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni Weightjinni] : A simple way to track food consumption, weight loss/gain (still in alpha).

*[http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 liqbase] : playtest for sketching with kinetic graffiti and fullscreen tearfree refresh

===Developed by Nokia===
These are left out here.
*Camera : This is the first 3rd party application I installed on my tablet.
*Fmradio : The other first 3rd party application n800 users install on their tablet.

Task:Remarkable community projects

2008-07-25T05:14:21Z

127.0.0.1: /* Outstanding utilities */

{{Template:100Days agenda}}
{{task|accepted}}

''This is a subtask of [[Task:Defining maemo]] and is looking for volunteers''

There are hundreds of community projects around Maemo, but some are especially remarkable, providing a unique contribution to the project.

Getting a list of these projects would help to
* Improve their quality and promote them as ''ready to primetime''.
* Highlight to externals some of the amazing stuff the Maemo platform can offer.
* Bring attention, testing, contributions, new users to them.
* Indicate to Nokia what is really worth promoting in their Maemo related activities.
* Cheer up the ego of promoters and contributors. :)

==Criteria==
Propose criteria to select projects.
* '''Alive''': Maintained regularly and available in the last stable release.
* '''Open''': community feedback and contributions are part of the project - open source is a very good factor but not a must.
* '''Stable''': feature set complete, installs flawlessly, works, doesn't harm the system, secure.
* '''Finger/thumb UI''': stylus to be required only in exceptional and evident cases (e.g. drawing apps).
* '''Decent design''': visually attractive and/or simple interface that works just as expected.
* '''maemo.org active''': available in extras, complete information page in Downloads.
* '''Non commercial''': Not developed by Nokia or commercial partners.

==New Proposals==
List your proposals below. Add your comments supporting/against. Provide links to their pages at http://maemo.org/downloads to get more information, see screenshots and try them out.
* List your proposal here.

==Candidates==
'''Please do not list new proposals directly here'''. These are projects that accomplish most of the criteria above. They be available in the Maemo 4.1 extras repository and offer a Download page in maemo.org. Add you comment if you think any of these candidates is not fit enough for the top selection, or belong to a different category.

===Born for Maemo===
Remarkable projects targetting primarily the Maemo platform.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/canola2/ Canola2]: Canola is a media consumer: photos, music, videos...local or remote, you name it.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper Maemo Mapper]: Most downloaded application for Maemo. Best map application. Can interact with lots of different mapping sites, including OpenStreetmap.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-wordpy Maemo WordPy]: Blogging software that hooks to WordPress and Blogger accounts, allows image uploads, post creating and editing, tagging. Especially notable for its finger-friendly menu.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mediabox/ MediaBox]: A nice, simple UI for viewing photos and movies. Not as 'bare-bones' as Mplayer, not as 'tricked-out' as Canola2.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mytube/ mYTube] : An youtube browsing/downloading/playing application.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/numptyphysics Numpty Physics]: This game is educational, hard, fun. Made for the stylus.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume Vagalume]: Last.fm is my favourite music site, and Vagalume is my favourite Last.fm client.

===Very nice ports===
Remarkable projects successfully ported to Maemo.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/labyrinth Labyrinth] : An idea-mapping tool with a lot of potential.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ MPlayer]: Simple UI, provides the best playback performance for mpeg4/divx/xvid video on Nokia 770/N8x0.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pidgin Pidgin for Maemo] : Instant messaging application, ported from the desktop.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/ ScummVM] : program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ Evince] : Evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, tiff and dvi.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ines/ iNES], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fmsx/ fMSX], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/colem/ ColEm], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/speccy/ Speccy], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/ VGBA] - all fms's emulators - great ports of his original ones.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal Xournal] : A great notes/sketch utility. One of ''few'' apps that utilize the pressure sensitivity of the screen! Invaluable to create and annotate PDF documents on a pocket computer.

===Outstanding utilities===
Remarkable projects successful in a focused mission.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Advanced Backlight] : Replaces the default Volume and Brightness applets with a unified applet that also provides rotation orientation selection.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/erminig Erminig] : Allows a two-way sync between Google Calendars and the GPE calendar on the N810.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ Load Applet]: Because being able to see when/why the system becomes slow makes a huge difference in user experience.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/statusbarclock/ Large StatusBar Clock]: A configurable digital clock for the statusbar.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemopadplus MaemoPad+] : Tree-based notes and sketching application
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-recorder Maemo Recorder] : Turn your N8X0 into a dictaphone. Very useful.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mirage/ Mirage]: Opens many file formats; allows for simple photo editing on the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mogg/ mogg]: Although not as ideal a solution as DSP-side decoding, the best we've got at the moment.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/omweather/ OMWeather]: Critical app. When this didn't work for a whole day after the Diablo release, I had to look outside!
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/phonelink PhoneLink]: Send SMS or dial a number using GPE or built-in (EDS) Contacts and a bluetooth-enable mobile phone.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ Personal Menu]: Sidebar plugin, customizable menu for launching up to 36 installed applications or arbitrary commands.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/ Quiver]: Simple UI is fast and flexible. Does one thing--displays photos--well.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ USB Control]: Take advantage of USB keyboards & drives (drives require a separate power source) w/Nokia cable & adapter.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/worldtv99/ WorldTV99]:WorldTV99 : TVs around the world on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee

==Ruled Out==
These can be brought back to the Proposals once they meet the criteria.

===Not in maemo.org extras===
Appear in good condition to the user (e.g. beta/stable, page in Downloads, one-click install...) but are out of the maemo.org extras game.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Claws Mail]: The only full-featured mail program for the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader FBReader] : The best free e-book reader.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mauku/ Mauku]: Jaiku client designed explicitly for Maemo, and makes good use of the UI including finger / stylus / kinetic gestures.

===Not available in Downloads===
Being consistent, the most remarkable applications for Maemo need to be available in http://maemo.org/downloads
*Abiword : Abiword's another desktop application which has a really nice port to maemo. A document editor which is very powerful and lightweight.
*Dates & Contacts : Both part of the Pimlico suite of applications, these allow me to use the N810 as a personal calendar and address book, with desktop synchronisation to boot.
*Gnumeric : Gnumeric is a great spreadsheet application, and the maemo port has been very nicely done.
*GPE Suite : Calendar, Contacts and To-Do List are quite useful. Use Erminig to sync Calendar with Google Calendars.
*GrandCentral Dialer : A simple GUI that interfaces with GrandCentral. Dialer + Gizmo can be used for virtually free calling to and from regular phones.
*Gourmet Recipe Manager : A neat way to plan meals.
*MLB Viewer : For baseball fans, simple UI, subscription to mlb.com required for video, audio is 'free'.
*[http://notecase.sourceforge.net/index.html NoteCase] : a full featured hierarchical note manager
*VCURLs72 : Major US TV channels on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee
*XChat : IRC on your tablet. Nice port.

===Still Alpha===
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni Weightjinni] : A simple way to track food consumption, weight loss/gain (still in alpha).

*[http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 liqbase] : playtest for sketching with kinetic graffiti and fullscreen tearfree refresh

===Developed by Nokia===
These are left out here.
*Camera : This is the first 3rd party application I installed on my tablet.
*Fmradio : The other first 3rd party application n800 users install on their tablet.

Task:Remarkable community projects

2008-07-25T05:09:56Z

127.0.0.1: /* Not available in Downloads */

{{Template:100Days agenda}}
{{task|accepted}}

''This is a subtask of [[Task:Defining maemo]] and is looking for volunteers''

There are hundreds of community projects around Maemo, but some are especially remarkable, providing a unique contribution to the project.

Getting a list of these projects would help to
* Improve their quality and promote them as ''ready to primetime''.
* Highlight to externals some of the amazing stuff the Maemo platform can offer.
* Bring attention, testing, contributions, new users to them.
* Indicate to Nokia what is really worth promoting in their Maemo related activities.
* Cheer up the ego of promoters and contributors. :)

==Criteria==
Propose criteria to select projects.
* '''Alive''': Maintained regularly and available in the last stable release.
* '''Open''': community feedback and contributions are part of the project - open source is a very good factor but not a must.
* '''Stable''': feature set complete, installs flawlessly, works, doesn't harm the system, secure.
* '''Finger/thumb UI''': stylus to be required only in exceptional and evident cases (e.g. drawing apps).
* '''Decent design''': visually attractive and/or simple interface that works just as expected.
* '''maemo.org active''': available in extras, complete information page in Downloads.
* '''Non commercial''': Not developed by Nokia or commercial partners.

==New Proposals==
List your proposals below. Add your comments supporting/against. Provide links to their pages at http://maemo.org/downloads to get more information, see screenshots and try them out.
* List your proposal here.

==Candidates==
'''Please do not list new proposals directly here'''. These are projects that accomplish most of the criteria above. They be available in the Maemo 4.1 extras repository and offer a Download page in maemo.org. Add you comment if you think any of these candidates is not fit enough for the top selection, or belong to a different category.

===Born for Maemo===
Remarkable projects targetting primarily the Maemo platform.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/canola2/ Canola2]: Canola is a media consumer: photos, music, videos...local or remote, you name it.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-mapper Maemo Mapper]: Most downloaded application for Maemo. Best map application. Can interact with lots of different mapping sites, including OpenStreetmap.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-wordpy Maemo WordPy]: Blogging software that hooks to WordPress and Blogger accounts, allows image uploads, post creating and editing, tagging. Especially notable for its finger-friendly menu.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mediabox/ MediaBox]: A nice, simple UI for viewing photos and movies. Not as 'bare-bones' as Mplayer, not as 'tricked-out' as Canola2.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mytube/ mYTube] : An youtube browsing/downloading/playing application.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/numptyphysics Numpty Physics]: This game is educational, hard, fun. Made for the stylus.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume Vagalume]: Last.fm is my favourite music site, and Vagalume is my favourite Last.fm client.

===Very nice ports===
Remarkable projects successfully ported to Maemo.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/labyrinth Labyrinth] : An idea-mapping tool with a lot of potential.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ MPlayer]: Simple UI, provides the best playback performance for mpeg4/divx/xvid video on Nokia 770/N8x0.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pidgin Pidgin for Maemo] : Instant messaging application, ported from the desktop.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/scummvm/ ScummVM] : program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ Evince] : Evince is a document viewer for multiple document formats. It currently supports pdf, postscript, djvu, tiff and dvi.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ines/ iNES], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fmsx/ fMSX], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/colem/ ColEm], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/speccy/ Speccy], [http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/ VGBA] - all fms's emulators - great ports of his original ones.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal Xournal] : A great notes/sketch utility. One of ''few'' apps that utilize the pressure sensitivity of the screen! Invaluable to create and annotate PDF documents on a pocket computer.

===Outstanding utilities===
Remarkable projects successful in a focused mission.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Advanced Backlight] : Replaces the default Volume and Brightness applets with a unified applet that also provides rotation orientation selection.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/erminig Erminig] : Allows a two-way sync between Google Calendars and the GPE calendar on the N810.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ Load Applet]: Because being able to see when/why the system becomes slow makes a huge difference in user experience.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/statusbarclock/ Large StatusBar Clock]: A configurable digital clock for the statusbar.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemopadplus MaemoPad+] : Tree-based notes and sketching application
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-recorder Maemo Recorder] : Turn your N8X0 into a dictaphone. Very useful.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mirage/ Mirage]: Opens many file formats; allows for simple photo editing on the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mogg/ mogg]: Although not as ideal a solution as DSP-side decoding, the best we've got at the moment.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/omweather/ OMWeather]: Critical app. When this didn't work for a whole day after the Diablo release, I had to look outside!
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/phonelink PhoneLink]: Send SMS or dial a number using GPE or built-in (EDS) Contacts and a bluetooth-enable mobile phone.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ Personal Menu]: Sidebar plugin, customizable menu for launching up to 36 installed applications or arbitrary commands.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/ Quiver]: Simple UI is fast and flexible. Does one thing--displays photos--well.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/usbcontrol/ USB Control]: Take advantage of USB keyboards & drives (drives require a separate power source) w/Nokia cable & adapter.

==Ruled Out==
These can be brought back to the Proposals once they meet the criteria.

===Not in maemo.org extras===
Appear in good condition to the user (e.g. beta/stable, page in Downloads, one-click install...) but are out of the maemo.org extras game.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/claws-mail Claws Mail]: The only full-featured mail program for the tablet.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fbreader FBReader] : The best free e-book reader.
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mauku/ Mauku]: Jaiku client designed explicitly for Maemo, and makes good use of the UI including finger / stylus / kinetic gestures.

===Not available in Downloads===
Being consistent, the most remarkable applications for Maemo need to be available in http://maemo.org/downloads
*Abiword : Abiword's another desktop application which has a really nice port to maemo. A document editor which is very powerful and lightweight.
*Dates & Contacts : Both part of the Pimlico suite of applications, these allow me to use the N810 as a personal calendar and address book, with desktop synchronisation to boot.
*Gnumeric : Gnumeric is a great spreadsheet application, and the maemo port has been very nicely done.
*GPE Suite : Calendar, Contacts and To-Do List are quite useful. Use Erminig to sync Calendar with Google Calendars.
*GrandCentral Dialer : A simple GUI that interfaces with GrandCentral. Dialer + Gizmo can be used for virtually free calling to and from regular phones.
*Gourmet Recipe Manager : A neat way to plan meals.
*MLB Viewer : For baseball fans, simple UI, subscription to mlb.com required for video, audio is 'free'.
*[http://notecase.sourceforge.net/index.html NoteCase] : a full featured hierarchical note manager
*VCURLs72 : Major US TV channels on your tablet. Best Edutainment without monthly fee
*XChat : IRC on your tablet. Nice port.

===Still Alpha===
*[http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/weightjinni Weightjinni] : A simple way to track food consumption, weight loss/gain (still in alpha).

*[http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 liqbase] : playtest for sketching with kinetic graffiti and fullscreen tearfree refresh

===Developed by Nokia===
These are left out here.
*Camera : This is the first 3rd party application I installed on my tablet.
*Fmradio : The other first 3rd party application n800 users install on their tablet.

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